Bonnie_Clyde

Joined

• started 186 topics
• posted 1,813 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Bonnie_Clyde

• 
  28

  Elder stakeouts! Anyone done one / been a victim of one?

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  suppose the elders get an anonymous letter or phone call, or even a brave soul tells them that they no "brother so-and-so" is sleeping with "sister suzy q".

  or a believing jw has a "non-scriptural" divorce, and wants proof her ex is sleeping with someone else.

  the elders' manual says the "strong circumstantial evidence, such as evidence that the accused spent all night in the house of someone of the opposite sex who is not his wife or a family member" (paraphrase) can be used as evidence in a judicial case.. to get such "strong circumstantial eveidnce", elders have been known to "stake out" a house, spending all night in a car watching a house.. in all my time as an elder, i was never involved in one of these.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  I know of one case where a divorced brother wanted to date a sister but the elders said he couldn't because he was still "scripturally" married due to his former wife (not a JW) not having remarried. The brother knew that she was sleeping around but couldn't prove it, so he and an elder staked her house out for a few nights until they saw a guy go in with her about 10 or 11pm and then leave the next morning. That was his proof. He was then considered "free to remarry" and was given permission to date the sister he liked.

  How pathetic is this story? A grown man couldn't go out on a date with a grown woman because some group of men said he couldn't. And then this grown man has to get someone to sit in front of his former wife's house to prove to them that guys visited her overnight.

  That story is very similar to my son's. His ex-wife admitted to her affair, he tape recorded it, played it to the elders, but they said that wasn't enough evidence--because she denied the affair when talking to the elders. So another elder talked my son into going with him to stake out her house. They got the evidence, but it turned out it wasn't necessary because the ex-wife finally confessed.

  Five years later our son finally found the right girl--she was also divorced. The elders wouldn't take her word that she was scripturally free ro remarry. They had to get a signed letter from her parents that they knew for a fact that her ex-husband was living with another woman.

  Thankfully, our son and daughter-in-law are out of the "truth" now, and these events helped them along.
• 
  36

  The new book study arrangement...what it could mean

  by undercover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've heard mentioned in a couple of places the admonition from the society about how the new void left by the discontinuing of the book study night should be filled with spiritual study or family worship instead of tv or just viewing it as a "night off".. this is the new spin on the society dropping that meeting night; "just because we gave you a night off from meetings doesn't mean you get to relax.

  you should use this time for family study.

  if you don't, then you invite satan into your home through your tv set or dvd player or cd player or internet connection.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  I cannot see the financial benefit to the Society as a whole

  The congregation that Clyde used to attend was told by the regional building committee (about 3 years ago) that they needed to sell their hall and build a new one. They already had a beautiful, well-built well-landscaped hall, and a lot of people were perplexed. But, obediently they sold the hall, sent the funds to the Society and began a search for property to build the new hall. They found some property, but to this date there is no new Kingdom Hall. For three years they have had to travel to the next town, about 8 miles away for their meetings. I would say that the Society benefited quite nicely from this arrangement. And they can continue to benefit if more congregations start bunching up, forcing them to sell and donate the funds.
• 
  1

  Books..."New Heavens and New Earth" / "Making your Family Life Happy"

  by hubert in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i drove to my favorite used book store this week, and found two "gems".. "new heavens and a new earth"...1953.. "making your family life happy"...1978.. without my reading the whole book(s) through, i am wondering if anyone knows of any good "nuggets" in either of these publications?

  i've noticed that some books will have one or two valuable statements in them, which the watchtower can't refute from their back-tracking.. anyone know of any "priceless" comments in these books?.

  thanks.. hubert.

  1. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  Can you believe... "New Heavens and New Earth" was the first book I studied when I became a witless. I was only 11 years old, and my parents for some reason allowed my JW uncle to come to our house and study with my brother and I. My brother was going through some depression. I was terribly bored until we came to the chapter about creation and the 6,000 years. I suddenly became interested and started attending meetings with my uncle. That's where it all started. My father and mother eventually became witlesses too even though my mother objected for a long time. Wish she had put her foot down more...oh well, I guess I was just a rebellious child....
• 
  20

  2008 Drama what a joke -cheesy fake characters communist propaganda!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "don't lose the love you had at first.

  " my mum sent me the dvd hoping it will "save" us.

  i love how there is always a super spiritual group and a villans group of brothers who end up ruining their lives.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  Tell me about the book burning....
• 
  27

  Are YOU 100% Out Of Jehovah's Witness Control?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as long as you have family still in the jw`s..there`s always going to be problems..it does`nt go away.........................outlaw

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  I'd like to go to a church or celebrate Christmas (maybe just hang lights out on the porch), but know that I can't if I don't want them to come knocking on the door. However, I just found out that the CO is visiting our cong this week....time for a visit.
• 
  10

  Were there any elder's quarrels in your congreegation?

  by badboy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  any takers?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  My father told me this. (He is now deceased). A few years ago one of his fellow elders' son was counselled for the use of drugs. Shortly after this, my father had a talk on the service meeting on a subject not related to drug use, but somehow brought up the subject of drugs anyway in a way that completely offended the other elder. After the meeting the other elder literally slammed the Kingdom Hall door as we went out.

  My dad had a way of offending people, he always felt they had it coming.
• 
  26

  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-05-08 WT Study (LOYAL LEAVE)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  quote.

  quote.

  quote.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  Did you know that the word "paradise" does not occur in the bible?

  What about Luke 23:43?

  Thanks for all your hard work....
• 
  23

  The Horrid Lime Green New World Translation- What were they thinking!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not very appealing and couldn't sell well.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  Hillbilly:

  as expained to me by Mark Lett who's son is Steve Lett (Gov Body) back in the 70s, it's all about life... green is life... black bibles like you see in church... all about death. Thats a paraphrase... but you get the drift. Bright festive colors to polarize the JW s from mainstream churches

  I heard exactly the same thing. Bonnie
• 
  4

  The sower can't be Jesus

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  14. who is this sower?

  some in christendom believe that this refers to jesus himself.

  but how could it be said that jesus sleeps and does not know how the seed grows?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  14. Who is this sower? Some in Christendom believe that this refers to Jesus himself. But how could it be said that Jesus sleeps and does not know how the seed grows? Surely Jesus is aware of the growth process! Rather, this sower, like the one mentioned earlier, represents individual Kingdom proclaimers, those who sow the Kingdom seed by their zealous preaching activity. The seed that is cast to the ground is the word that they preach.*

  Clyde's friend was just here and brought us the Koolaid edition with the study article about "God Who Makes It Grow?" (studied on 9-21-08). He mentioned the point about the sower being God's fellow workers and not Jesus. I pulled out my Bible and read Matthew 13:37. I asked how the WT could change what the Bible said. He had no answer.

  Anyway, what do you posters think of the reason why the WT thinks the sower couldn't be Jesus?
• 
  23

  A CLEAR definition of "higher education"

  by easyreader1970 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yesterday i went to the saturday segment of the two day circuit assembly.

  the brother giving the talk wanted to make sure that all in attendance understood clearly what the watchtower's definition of "higher education" was.

  this is not verbatim, but this is as clear as i can remember it.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Bonnie_Clyde

  When I got out of high school, they didn't even want me to go to a 2-year college. I was told that the secretarial skills I had learned in high school were all I needed to have a good job. I wanted to become an accountant.

  I could forgive them for the advice I was given a few decades ago, but I can't forgive them for giving the young people of today the same bad advice. They haven't learned a thing....

  Bonnie