yet another generation thread... but this clears up quite a bit of the ambiguity in the watchtower/outline explanations.
in "remain in the secret place of the most high", the closing talk of the 2010 district convention, the following clarifications were made on the 2010 generation overlap:.
the generation spoken of in exodus 1:6 includes all those mentioned whose lives overlapped (joseph, brothers, children, grandchildren).
Rutherford wrote about the Elijah class and the Elisha class which took over in 1928 from the early anointed. So this is not a new idea because remember the WTS taught that the anointed would go to heaven in 1914.
Addition: the Elisha class took over in 1919 and was given a "double portion" of what Elijah received.
Blondie - I'm a bit confused. I remember the "Let Your Name Be Sanctified" had the Elisha class taking over in 1942 when Rutherford died.
during my trek through the jw's i often heard talks and comments stating how witnesses were humble and meek, unlike the haughty-title loving people of the world especially christendom.
well i just received my 2010 alumni directory that covers everyone who graduated from the two high schools that were part of the district i live in.. so i spent the afternoon parusing its pages when i came across a listing for a guy who is now an elder in the congregation i used to attend.
here is how he describes himself.
As Clyde would say, "I'm so proud I'm humble."
the wt of september 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on unity.
one is titled: unity identifies true worship and the other christian unity glorifies god.
of course it is more uniformity, not true unity.
I'm going to ask a rather embarrassing question as I should know the answer by now. Isn't it true that I can get the KookAid edition of the WT on www.watchtower.org? If so, how to I find them? I want to see the entire 9/15/10 article.
when did they start praying and singing songs again?
what was the reason given?
or is the situation still the same?.
Even though I was a good dub back in 1989, I remember being surprised when I saw the announcement in the WT that the brothers in Mexico were now allowed to use the Bible, to pray, and to sing songs. I wondered why there hadn't been a letter writing campaign about it. Didn't find out until I read Ray's book.
we were at a party (get-together in jw speak) and somehow the ones i was talking with changed the subject to a talk given by the co that "the end is closer than we think.".
i just sheepishly asked the group ... "i don't understand that phrase, "the end is closer than we think.
" i said my parents told me i would never go to school, then later that i would never graduate from high school, and that i would never get married.. then i mentioned my parents were expecting the end to be in 1975 ... my grandparents were expecting the end numerous times in the 1920's and 1930's.. so i very nicely asked, "isn't is more correct to say "the end is farther than we think?
I have to ask if the end is so close, why do most witnesses seldom talk about it except among themselves? I remember talking about Armageddon a long time ago when I went from door to door, but then we were instructed to just talk about the wonderful peaceful new world. I've seen some TV shows about religions that believe Armageddon is imminent and JW's are never mentioned.
speaking from my experiance i have seen no less than 10 elderly jw's put into old age care homes and promptly forgotten about!.
no visits from their "loving shepards" no vists from their spritual family.
they were left to rot out of sight out of mind.
Well and old friend of Clyde's, who was a PO for many years and raised five children in the "truth", is in an assisted care facility right now. Other than Clyde, he only gets visits from his family, but nobody from the congregation stops by even though it is very convenient from the KH. Clyde's answer (tongue in cheek) is that he's not attending meetings (of course he can't) so why should they bother with him?
I could also go on and on about how they neglected my parents even though my father had been a long-time elder.
just when i thought this stupid belief that earthquakes went up in 1914, here it is again.
4/6/2010.
this was a co giving the talk, the same one that ended with overlapping generations.. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27642/earthquake.mp3.
What about the New Madrid earthquake in the early 1800's? It's my understanding that it changed the course of the Mississippi River and was so huge that it was felt in Washington DC and caused church bells to ring in Boston(?) or somewhere in the eastern USA. Back then it only affected a few Indians and settlers. I've heard that an earthquake of that magnitude now would be far more catastrophic than anyone in this country has ever seen.
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I remember that Time article. It bothered me for years, but I kept pushing it aside. A few years later, I read an article in our local newspaper about a couple who had read Ray's C of C and left the Borg--all of their children shunned them. That bothered me too. But it was 16 years before I finally ventured onto the internet and my first search word was "Franz."
Thank you Ray Franz for all you did to open my eyes. Just wish I had listened sooner.
hey there all my dear ole friends in jwd land!
wow!, what a trip!
it's not that i haven't been thinking about all of you, just had some new adventures that i've been involved in.
Yea! I've been wondering where you've been and almost sent you an email. Glad to have you back....
just setting the record straight.
there is another thread that notes a claim on wiki that said that ray has died.. he had a stroke yesterday, and is in the hospital.
he is still alive.
I remember reading Ray's books far into the night back in 1999. I couldn't believe the clarity and the insight of that man, and I've always wanted to meet him. Talked to him on the phone twice, the last time was last September. Yes, we also have much to thank him for and we too pray for him and his wife.
