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pre 1981 Disassociation rules.

by Aussie Oz in

can anybody point me to actual written society instruction pre 1981, regarding not shunning da ones?.

i know they included shunning as of the wt sept 15 1981, but was before that time purely an unwritten practice or what?.

oz.

Bonnie_Clyde

I'm almost certain that Ray Franz wrote the August 1, 1974, article about showing "common courtesy and consideration." I remember we had drywall man who was working on our house back in 1979. My father (a super elder) was talking to him and found out he was disfellowshipped. It didn't phase him a bit, he just commented to me later that we just couldn't talk about anything spiritual. The rules changed in 1981.

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To the brother who called in sick after Thanksgiving vacation

by schnell in

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thanks.. no really, thank you.. you decided to drive down to la with your wife and kids to be with extended family and eat a great big meal on thanksgiving.

that's awesome.

no, really, i hope you had great thanksgiving.. then you drove back up here, and that's a good day's drive so you were pretty tired.

Bonnie_Clyde

I suggest you call the dental office on Monday and ask to be placed on a waiting list. If someone cancels their December appointment, you might be in luck. It worked for me.

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Were you aware of the shunning policy when becoming a JW

by UnshackleTheChains in

for those who became jws, were you fully aware of the societys cruel shunning policy whilst studying?

i absolutely had no idea such a policy existed until years later.

it really only hit home when reading the horrendous stories on the internet around 2002. .

Bonnie_Clyde

It wasn't always so harsh. Late 50's and 60's, as I recall, we could speak to a disfellowshipped person, just couldn't discuss anything spiritual...that wasn't hard. Also, they could fellowship with their relatives.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-27-2016 WT Study (CHILDREN FAITH)

by blondie in

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blondie’s highlights from the november 27, 2016 wt study (september 2016) (parents build children faith).

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-september-2016/.

excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

Bonnie_Clyde

6 As a teacher, Jesus reached hearts because he loved Jehovah, God’s Word, and people.

Jesus was only mentioned one time, Jehovah about 16 times. Shouldn't they be putting more emphasis than that on Jehovah's son?

Thanks for your comments, Blondie.

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Christian Longo on death row – is he up for a new trial?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

for those who don’t remember, longo was a life-long witness (even a one-time ministerial servant) who strangled and/or drowned his wife, mary jane, and their three children, zachery, sadie and madison.

longo has been on death row in marion county, oregon, since 2003.. http://www.biography.com/people/christian-longo.

well, yesterday i talked to a woman who works with one of mary jane’s sisters who told me that longo was coming up for a new trial.

Bonnie_Clyde

darkspilver - I believe it is legit. Mary Jane's sister's name is Jennifer. I plan to make a donation toward the fundraiser.

Anyone who thinks they could have any sympathy for that jerk should read the link that I attached. After the murders he used a fake credit card number to buy a ticket to Cancun, posed as a New York journalist, and shacked up with a German photographer. I think he was with her when the authorities busted him. He never showed any remorse. I personally would have no trouble flipping the switch.

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Christian Longo on death row – is he up for a new trial?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

for those who don’t remember, longo was a life-long witness (even a one-time ministerial servant) who strangled and/or drowned his wife, mary jane, and their three children, zachery, sadie and madison.

longo has been on death row in marion county, oregon, since 2003.. http://www.biography.com/people/christian-longo.

well, yesterday i talked to a woman who works with one of mary jane’s sisters who told me that longo was coming up for a new trial.

Bonnie_Clyde

For those who don’t remember, Longo was a life-long witness (even a one-time ministerial servant) who strangled and/or drowned his wife, Mary Jane, and their three children, Zachery, Sadie and Madison. Longo has been on death row in Marion County, Oregon, since 2003.

http://www.biography.com/people/christian-longo

Well, yesterday I talked to a woman who works with one of Mary Jane’s sisters who told me that Longo was coming up for a new trial. The sister will be travelling from Michigan to Oregon and didn’t have the money, but there was a local fund raiser that netted $3,800 to assist her.

This blows my mind. There is no question that Christian Longo was guilty of this heinous crime. However, I can’t find anything on the internet to confirm a new trial, not yet.

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Extreme rules on Dating – is this for all congregations?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

just found out that in the congregation we used to attend there are two young brothers, both are sons of elders and recently engaged to girls in neighboring congregations.

instructions are that they may not sit together at assemblies or meetings.

but get this….they can’t even ride in the same car even if their parents are also in the car.

Bonnie_Clyde

Just found out that in the congregation we used to attend there are two young brothers, both are sons of elders and recently engaged to girls in neighboring congregations. Instructions are that they may not sit together at assemblies or meetings. But get this….they can’t even ride in the same car even if their parents are also in the car. However, they are allowed to talk on the phone as long as it doesn’t get past 9 p.m.

How on earth can they get to know one another? Yet, they are required to spend the rest of their life with someone they barely know?

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Whats changed since you were baptized????

by karter in

i was baptized in 1986.. 2 generation changes..

Bonnie_Clyde

Women were not allowed to give talks in the ministry school until January 1959. The change was announced at the 1958 international convention. I had the "privilege" of being one of the first.

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Heaven is ready and prepared for Armageddon - Talk A Morris III

by Listener in

and why he doesn't go to the gym, jog or workout!

also no survivalist mentality is required.deciphering warship has posted a youtube of part of the speech given by the one and only, anthony morris the iii at last years imitate jesus convention.deciphering warship makes this comment.

governing body member anthony morris demonized preparing for this disaster by building such a bunker or (bomb shelter)going so far, as to warn even against stocking up food.

Bonnie_Clyde

"His talk also contradicts the bunker video. He says they've got it all figured out and there's no need to have a shelter then a year later they show the video with the JWs huddled up in a basement-bunker. There was also the magazine picture of the same thing."

If this talk was a year ago, Morris would still have been in Brooklyn, right? That's why he could say they don't have bunkers, just a "safe room" in case of a storm. I can't believe the new facility doesn't have bunkers and probably well stocked, and maybe that's one of the reasons they moved. Just wondering...

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60th Anniversary today - I was baptized 9-01-56

by Bonnie_Clyde in

60th anniversary – i was baptized 9-1-56 .

my parents weren’t witnesses at the time, but my witness uncle studied with my brother and i. i think the only reason my parents let him was because my brother was having mental issues and were hoping it would help him.

my father surprised me a few years later, started studying and was baptized in 1961, later appointed an elder.

Bonnie_Clyde

Thank you so much for all your comments. I remember my baptism day vividly. Not sure why my parents weren't there. As I mentioned, I was baptized in a lake. The high school where we had the circuit assembly didn't have a pool, so we were shuttled to the lake.

Toes Up: Yes, I still miss my daughter after all these years. But she is happy with her new family (she was re-married about the time of my mother's death), and her husband's family are all fanatical witnesses. Also she is about the same age as one of my cousin's children. My cousin's husband is a super-duper elder and all of his children are either elders or married to elders...even many in their congregation can't stand them. But my daughter is good friends with most of them.

Raven: Thanks for your encouragement. Seems like leaving the borg was harder on me than my sons. They were convinced once I showed them the information about the WT's involvement with the UN. My only concern was my one daughter-in-law as she has a lot of witness relatives. But she returned from a district assembly (can't remember the year) and showed me her notes that the speaker said that the organization was more important than family. She said, "I don't think so." For some reason her relatives are not shunning her, not even her father and mother who are quite active. She just doesn't discuss anything with anybody.

Desirous of Change: Even after I began investigating, I didn't stop right away. It was very slowly and I attributed it to all the time I was spending helping my parents. Although suspicious my daughter wasn't sure until one day after she and her husband returned from a circuit assembly. My father was an invalid by that time and I felt I had to stay home and take care of him rather than hiring somebody. You could read my story about that on this link:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/74189/selling-homes-property-pre-1975

Great Teacher: Regarding my comment that hardly anyone was coming to visit, my father and I both looked out the window one day and saw a carload of witnesses visiting the homes of his neighbors next door and across the street. But they couldn't find their way over to his house to visit my parents...probably because they couldn't count their time?

Sanchy: Clyde and I found out that we needed to find other interests. We joined our local Moose chapter and got involved in several other activities. We also try to socialize with many of our neighbors and looked up and visit with some non-witness cousins that we used to ignore. Also I continue to work part-time...I'm in sales and actually enjoy what I'm doing.

Fat Freek: Interesting story about Ed Dunlap. It makes me sick the way he was treated. We should have gotten out when you did. I was 14 years old when I was baptized and thought I had a very intelligent decision as I was securing my reward to live forever. Also I was not dedicating my life to an organization, it was to Jehovah and his son, Jesus Christ. Anyway, I need to figure out how to read your private message. So you have a 60th anniversary coming up too!

Suavojr: The hardest part of the shunning was not only my daughter, but my father turning against me after all the years of care that I gave him and my mother. I know my daughter would accept me back if I would just "return to Jehovah." I think that's a form of blackmail, don't you?

Millie210 and All or Nothing and Listener: Thanks for your posts and encouragement. I admit that sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night wondering how I could have gotten so involved. I still miss some of my old friends, but like I told Clyde, they haven't changed, it's me that has changed, and I just don't want to be around them any more.

Pete Zahut: You're right I felt the same way when I started reading Crisis of Conscience. I remembered so many things that he mentioned. Example: I read a news story in the Awake! that Mexico were now allowed witnesses to go from door to door and use the Bible. Even at the time, I asked myself why didn't we hear about this before? Why didn’t we send out letters of protest like we did when there was persecution in Malawi? Every paragraph I knew Ray was telling the absolute truth.

But I will add, I didn’t want Clyde to know I was reading the book. Not for the usual reason. I was afraid, he would start talking and get himself (and maybe me) disfellowshipped like the couple I read about in our local newspaper whose children started shunning them. But one day he found the book, and he was OK. He only said it confirmed what he already believed.

Stuck in the Middle: You’re right. We didn't have to answer any questions prior to baptism. Yes the 50's was a great time for witness teenagers. Lots of parties, no emphasis on chaperones, but we behaved ourselves...mostly. I didn't know of anyone who committed "fornication." But back then fornication only referred to having intercourse with someone to whom you weren't married, now it can mean almost any kind of touching. I was also at the 1958 International assembly, all eight days. Don't know how the older ones stood it. I went to Milwaukee in 1963, 7 or 8 days. I assume you went to prison because of the Alternate Service stance that they took back then? That still infuriates me. Glad you're doing OK now.

Hope I didn’t miss anybody

Here’s another link you can check about a loaded question my daughter asked me.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/139477/do-you-consider-yourself-one-jehovahs-witnesses

Bonnie_Clyde

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