Bonnie_Clyde

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  Money and Morals--Can you have both?

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  Are Cats for True Christians?

  by jst2laws in

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  it has been a while since we have heard from the circuit overseer, carlo.

  i'm glad to see his website is still up although it is missing some great stuff.

  please check the aritcle "are cats for true christian", for new light.

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  Of course, we can take no legal responsibility for anything which results from your voluntary application of your interpretation of such Biblical principles as you may believe that we have brought to your attention

  To me, this was the funniest part of the whole article. Even though this was applied to cats, this reasoning is typical of the way the WT gets around taking responsibility for giving advice that might later come back to bite them (no pun intended).
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  Another "pinata" article? (embalming)

  by AlmostAtheist in

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  on the watchtower's site right now, there is yet another article that has arbitrarily decided that a pagan-originated, false-religious practice is okey-dokey for christians.

  this time it is embalming.

  the article is here: http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/2002/3/15/article_01.htm.

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  Don't have my Bible handy, but I thought one of the patriarchs (maybe Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Moses) was enbalmed. I'll check it later.
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  Number of pioneers down 27 % ? No no no !

  by TheOldHippie in

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  i failed to find the thread right now, but there was a thread as to the 2005 annual report, and it was stated that the number of pioneers had dwindled from 858,461 to 623,308 - 27 %.

  and comments were made on how little the society cared etc.

  but, had yoy bothered to look closely at the figures (perhaps you've been well trained in sloppy statistics and misrepresenting by a certain group from before ......), you would have noticed thatthe column for pioneers this year has been divided in two - one for auxilliary pioneers and one for regular pioneers.

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  I tend to agree with Hideme - I do not believe that in prior years that they could have combined the auxilliary pioneers and the regular pioneers into one number.
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  Does the Watchtower Society Monitor this Board???

  by integ in

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  2. scandals

  maybe this has been addressed before, but after reading certain comments about people being "outed", i wonder if the wts really monitors this site?

  if so, to what extent?

  or is it just individual elders etc.?.

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  First highlight the text you want to quote. Then look in the posting window. There are a series of icons. Click on the icon that has the quotation marks (next to the smilie). That inserts the yellow quote box in your posting window. Now paste your text. The best way to paste in the posting window is to use the keystrock which is CTRL+V. You could also paste using the clipboard icon.

  Just practicing. It works!
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  Are JWs the Ultimate Modern Suicide Cult?

  by Gill in

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  jws lives are regularly put on the line by their religious beliefs or by the rules made by the wtbts.. if they become sick or injured they cannot accept for themselves or their loved one a blood transfusion that may save their lives.. if they live in an intolerant society, they may not purchase simple papers that could prevent them being tortured or murdered.. they go regularly to the homes of strangers and speak to total strangers and risk life and limb.

  some have died because of this very practice.. so, are jws the ultimate modern suicide cult?.

  i can't think of any religion, other than the suicide bombers of islam, that believe strongly in martyrdom, as the jws do.. how many jws could be dying every day because of the wtbts instructions?.

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  JW's may not want to obey a suicide directive but many or most of them would. Read this word for word quote from last summer's convention (Saturday).

  "There is no substitute for the Governing Body. No divine favor without it. To fail to obey is really to reject the word of Jehovah. Failing to obey is no different than divination or idolatry. Even if we are asked to perform a task that we don’t agree with, we have to obey. " Note: I did not make up these words .

  Would the WT ever give a suicide directive? Other than the blood transfusion refusal, I doubt it. But who knows? As Clyde said, he would never have believed that the WT would join the UN, but they did.
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  JW's and the lottery

  by cheen in

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  anyone hear of or know of any jw's or exjw's who've won a large lottery prize?............i know of one jw who won close to half a million $us dollars and now he's like "jehovah who?...whos jehovah?

  " lol

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  How would going on a TV show and winning a car be considered gambling? I thought the distinction between winning a prize and gambling was that with gambling you had to put out money from your own pocket in the hope that you would receive something in return. Winning prize generally does not require anything out of pocket.
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  The WBTS really is a dangerous organization

  by pratt1 in

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  it has been well documented that some extreme cults have be able to isolate their memebers and then have them kill themselves because of their beliefs.. the dubs has always looked at these cults as being mislead by the devil and the dubs would never do anything as drastic a mass suicide.. however as a child i remember thinking that at the begining of the great tribulation, the fds might tell us to run, or congragate somewhere isolated and we would actually leave with on the clothes on our back, and anyone not heeding this warning would be killed at the battle of "armefogotten".. if the fds could get the dubs to leave their home and familes, bascially their lives behind, isn't it just a small stretch to think that a desicion to end ones earthly life could be the next request?.

  also remember that particularily the jim jones event, some members had to be physically forced to drink the kool - aid while others freely drank.. does anyone else think that because of the power that the wbts has over it memebers, if they decided to do something drastic, many of the members would just blindly comply?

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  Hellrider, I understand what you are saying. But you know, I would never have dreamed that the WT would join the UN, but they did.

  I believe that during a time of a breakdown in law and order, it is possible that people could be convinced to murder. It's been a long time since I read, "For Whom the Bell Tolls." The crowds in that book did not want to murder the rebels, but as they were hyped up into a state of hysteria, the murders began.
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  The WBTS really is a dangerous organization

  by pratt1 in

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  it has been well documented that some extreme cults have be able to isolate their memebers and then have them kill themselves because of their beliefs.. the dubs has always looked at these cults as being mislead by the devil and the dubs would never do anything as drastic a mass suicide.. however as a child i remember thinking that at the begining of the great tribulation, the fds might tell us to run, or congragate somewhere isolated and we would actually leave with on the clothes on our back, and anyone not heeding this warning would be killed at the battle of "armefogotten".. if the fds could get the dubs to leave their home and familes, bascially their lives behind, isn't it just a small stretch to think that a desicion to end ones earthly life could be the next request?.

  also remember that particularily the jim jones event, some members had to be physically forced to drink the kool - aid while others freely drank.. does anyone else think that because of the power that the wbts has over it memebers, if they decided to do something drastic, many of the members would just blindly comply?

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  I'm sorry. I meant the Jan. 15, 2006, WT. On page 22 it says, "We would not murder. Yet, we would bear guilt before God if we hated a fellow Christian and wished him dead." But that was in regard to a "fellow" Christian. On page 23 it talks about apostates. "If we love God...we should not allow apostates into our homes or even greet them." In other words, we are to view them as dead. How difficult then would it be, in a time of hysteria, to convince dubs to murder those evil apostates?
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  The WBTS really is a dangerous organization

  by pratt1 in

  1. jw
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  it has been well documented that some extreme cults have be able to isolate their memebers and then have them kill themselves because of their beliefs.. the dubs has always looked at these cults as being mislead by the devil and the dubs would never do anything as drastic a mass suicide.. however as a child i remember thinking that at the begining of the great tribulation, the fds might tell us to run, or congragate somewhere isolated and we would actually leave with on the clothes on our back, and anyone not heeding this warning would be killed at the battle of "armefogotten".. if the fds could get the dubs to leave their home and familes, bascially their lives behind, isn't it just a small stretch to think that a desicion to end ones earthly life could be the next request?.

  also remember that particularily the jim jones event, some members had to be physically forced to drink the kool - aid while others freely drank.. does anyone else think that because of the power that the wbts has over it memebers, if they decided to do something drastic, many of the members would just blindly comply?

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  What if the WBTS told them that they should murder people who are considered apostates? I have no doubt that they would obey. Apostates are instruments of the Devil. See the Feb. 1, 2006, WT.