i recently became aware of the new light.
please correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't this new light concerning 1914 means that the wt have been preaching the wrong doctrine for decades?
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*Jeffro* assumed that was my research when it was not, First mistake.
I asked you whether it was your own research on the other thread and whether you were 'Berend.' You didn't answer. You said on this one that you have done the research from scratch. Easy to assume your copy and paste was your own work.
If you copy and paste from someone else's work, it shows honesty and GOOD MANNERS to credit that person. Provide a link or name the researcher next time, please.
i recently became aware of the new light.
please correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't this new light concerning 1914 means that the wt have been preaching the wrong doctrine for decades?
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It looks like our new 'friend,'
Who may be 'billy' or 'Berend,'
Prefers the KJV and Ussher,
On both he is a gusher.
But both are 17th century,
And sometimes out from history,
So billy's going to find,
His chronology misaligned.
dear (jw-brother), .
i was pleased and pleasantly surprised to receive your thoughtful letter.
thank you for your concern and for taking the time to write.
I never saw this, only joining the forum later. It's a letter that's very appealing as well as eloquently and logically expressed.
At the end you said,
You have made your current position very clear in your letter. You reject any relationship with me unless I renew my loyalty to the Watchtower organization. You are forcing me to choose between following my conscience and your friendship. That is not a choice that anyone should have to make.
It's funny, an article in a later Awake! said exactly the same:
7/09 p. 29 Is It Wrong to Change Your Religion?
"Although the Bible makes a clear distinction between true and false teachings, God allows each person the freedom to choose how he or she will respond. (Deuteronomy 30:19, 20) No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family. Does study of the Bible lead to family breakup? No. In fact, the Bible encourages a husband and wife who practice different religions to remain together as a family.—1 Corinthians 7:12, 13."
Ironic, hey?
I'm glad things have turned out all right for you and thanks for the update :-)
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i miss seeing lars postings and his bible interpretations, did he get re-instated?.
Sweet of you both (*shucks*), but I'm nowhere near the same league as Leolaia and wouldn't have the patience to do the detailed videos Londo has done, nor Jeffro's charts.
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i miss seeing lars postings and his bible interpretations, did he get re-instated?.
I miss Leolaia's contributions.
Lars? In some ways I miss him - he was a good sport - but he was also a pest who could hijack and ruin a perfectly good discussion with his never-ending stream of dumpster-messiah/conspiracy/historical revisionist nonsense. He couldn't seem to switch it off. He'll be around somewhere in cyberspace under one of his many names. I haven't seen him at any of his old haunts for a while, though. Hope my favorite muppet's OK.
I don't miss eggie.
visiting london years ago i had the chance to participate on a bible tour arranged from bethel.
what i remember, it was one out of 12 topics, and a brother or sister served as a guide, showing particular objects related to bible accounts.. at that time, i was quite enthusiastic about it, thinking i learned something valuable.. .
now, being awake to ttatt, i wonder what real scientific value those tours served.. or rather it raises the suspicion, that those tours are for visiting witnesses in order to distract them from many other finds in the museum, that would disprove either the bible or their own theology.. anybody ever made such a tour ?.
I thought we were discussing the British museum tour correct?
Right. So why copy and paste a long answer to Farrell Till's Dan. 1:1 SAB comment from Berend de Boer's website?
... just as your doing with your double talk.
Excuse me?
YOU PEOPLE JUST DISCRIBED EVERY RELIGION KNOWN TO MAN. What makes all religion any better? ...
Hmm, I've noticed you've repeated the same thing at least 3 times now in various threads.
visiting london years ago i had the chance to participate on a bible tour arranged from bethel.
what i remember, it was one out of 12 topics, and a brother or sister served as a guide, showing particular objects related to bible accounts.. at that time, i was quite enthusiastic about it, thinking i learned something valuable.. .
now, being awake to ttatt, i wonder what real scientific value those tours served.. or rather it raises the suspicion, that those tours are for visiting witnesses in order to distract them from many other finds in the museum, that would disprove either the bible or their own theology.. anybody ever made such a tour ?.
If you people want to be credible with your criticism, you need to first learn to be a theologian, archeologist, and historian put together, then maybe you’ll see the chronology of Nebuchadnezzar is very confusing because of all that was going on at that time, Whether Nebuchadnezzar was a General when sacking Jerusalem or King when destroying it. How many battle fronts were accruing, who used what calendar, and best of all, how Muslim nations even today hide evidence that directly support bible chronology.
Yes, one needs to become well acquainted with history and archaeology. Many questioning JWs and ex-JWs have done just that and figured out where the WTS chronology has gone wrong. No need to preach to the choir ;-)
Let me give you a view point thats not from JW's ...
... So the first siege was in 607, the second siege was in 599 (not 597 as secular history has it), and the third and last in 589 BC
You're off by a couple of years. 'Secular history' has established with the evidence that the first siege mentioned in the Bible (Dan. 1:1) was 605 BCE, the second one mentioned in both the Bible and the Babylonian Chronicle occured in 597 BCE, and the last one mentioned in the Bible, which resulted in Jerusalem's destruction, was 587 BCE (some historians have said 586 BCE due to the Bible's ambiguity on Neb's regnal year).
You might want to discuss this further on another thread rather than cluttering up this one?
By the way, billy, was the research in your above post your own? Are you 'Berend de Boer'?
visiting london years ago i had the chance to participate on a bible tour arranged from bethel.
what i remember, it was one out of 12 topics, and a brother or sister served as a guide, showing particular objects related to bible accounts.. at that time, i was quite enthusiastic about it, thinking i learned something valuable.. .
now, being awake to ttatt, i wonder what real scientific value those tours served.. or rather it raises the suspicion, that those tours are for visiting witnesses in order to distract them from many other finds in the museum, that would disprove either the bible or their own theology.. anybody ever made such a tour ?.
Sheesh, what's with my spelling atm? Every darned post!
'Tailored.' Freudian slip.
i am ready for a little guerilla warfare (no one gets hurt, of course).
but these literature carts in the city need to go.
everytime i walk by its all i can do to keep from knocking the thing over.. any ideas on how to destroy their little stash of paper.. so far my best idea is water, pouring water all over it.
Finkelstein, gross.
You (or whoever) may end up doing that to the cart one of my elderly relatives or nieces was watching over. If I saw a video of that I'd be disgusted at the one who'd done it!
i am ready for a little guerilla warfare (no one gets hurt, of course).
but these literature carts in the city need to go.
everytime i walk by its all i can do to keep from knocking the thing over.. any ideas on how to destroy their little stash of paper.. so far my best idea is water, pouring water all over it.
Don't destroy anything - it just reinforces their persecution complex and (as cofty said) is vandalizing somebody else's property. I heard JW friends talk about a cart in the next city when they were new. Some 'apostates' or 'opposers' went over and knocked the thing over, shouting at the JWs. It just made the JWs feel more righteous.
If you're calm and have the time, talk to them, ask them thought-provoking questions, drop seeds of TTATT. Otherwise, walk past and let them get on with it.
