Posts by AnnOMaly

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Expanse before the flood... will He put it back?

by BetterGuyNow in

i've never wondered about this before, but i've been on this kick about the supposed infallibility of god.. let's consider for a moment that the flood was real.

god had created the expanse of water in the heavens that shielded the earth from the sun.

this is what he considered to be the the right way to build the earth.

AnnOMaly

*** w63 12/15 p. 767-8 Questions From Readers ***

Are we to understand from Genesis 8:22 that seasons as we know them today, with their extreme conditions, will exist in the new world?—E. E., United States.

... What Jehovah meant at Genesis 8:22 was that the condition of equable climate that prevailed over all the earth before the Flood would no longer exist. Why? Because the great water canopy responsible for such a condition had fallen, resulting in the seasons described at Genesis 8:22. However, as God produced sudden revolutionary changes in earth’s living conditions by the deluge of Noah’s day, with extremes now of heat and cold, so at Armageddon and with the inauguration of his Messianic kingdom he can produce rapid changes that will ameliorate any hard conditions of winter or disagreeable features of other seasons.

Will this be accomplished by a restoration of the water canopy? Will the Creator again suspend it in space so as to produce a hothouse condition on this earth in order that a uniform temperature may again prevail around the globe? The Bible does not say so, whereas the formation of the antediluvian water canopy was part of God’s creative work on one of his workdays before he began his seventh day by ceasing from such creative works for the earth. His rest day has yet a thousand or more years to go. It is sufficient to say that Jehovah God, who already knows what he will do, will handle matters perfectly.He will bring about the most desirable and enjoyable conditions through his King Jesus Christ. This change, which will do away with unpleasant seasonal conditions, will harmonize with God’s restoration of paradise and his removal of death, pain, sorrow, sickness and crying.—Rev. 21:4; Deut. 32:4.

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Expanse before the flood... will He put it back?

by BetterGuyNow in

i've never wondered about this before, but i've been on this kick about the supposed infallibility of god.. let's consider for a moment that the flood was real.

god had created the expanse of water in the heavens that shielded the earth from the sun.

this is what he considered to be the the right way to build the earth.

AnnOMaly

God had created the expanse of water in the heavens that shielded the earth from the sun. This is what He considered to be the the right way to build the earth. Then comes flood, and now you can see the sky and the water vapor canopy is gone. So would it be expected that after Armageddon, God would put it back to the way it was, the "right" way, or is mankind expected to live forever on an earth that was altered from its original, perfect design because of the badness of every living thing?

A more fundamental problem with the heavenly water expanse involves these factors:

A vapor canopy with more than twelve inches of precipitable water would raise the temperature of the earth above boiling (Morton 1979). A vapor canopy of only four inches of water would raise the temperature of the earth to 144 degrees F. It is worth noting that several prominent creationists agree with this conclusion, yet their close colleagues continue to teach that there was a vapor canopy (Morton 2000).
A vapor canopy capable of producing the global flood would have increased earth's atmospheric pressure from 15 PSI to 970 PSI.
Some creationists try to solve the vapor canopy problems by moving the canopy out of the earth's atmosphere and into orbit. A canopy of orbiting ice would have been unstable (it could only exist in a ring much like Saturn's). It would have cooled the climate (probably just slightly) until it somehow collapsed to cause the flood. Then the release of its gravitational potential energy would have converted all the ice into superheated steam, not into a flood. - http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH310.html

Also see http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html

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I have a TASK for you to perform. Come on--it will be FUN!

by Terry in

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look up in the right-hand corner of this page.. find where it says welcome (name).. did you locate that?.

now click on your name and observe the new page loading takes you to a top blue bar with a menu.. it should read:.

active topics search members topics started .

AnnOMaly

Far better sorting system, Simon! Very useful.

Btw, I've sent you a PM.

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

AnnOMaly

What did they use before that? I know it wasn't Russell who came up with it - he just adopted it. I'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.

1874 was partly based on antitype parallels with Jesus' earthly life.

Rough outline:

From 1844 to 1874 the Bridegroom delayed - mirroring Jesus' first thirty years of life on earth;

1874, the Bridegroom's heavenly presence paralleled his presence on earth as the chosen, newly baptized Messiah;

1878 was 3 and a half years after that when he was installed as King in heaven - mirroring the time when he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey and hailed as king by the people.

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Here we go again. The next hate letter from our 2nd Son.

by Still Totally ADD in

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yes it happen again with our youngest son.

this last monday we got a letter from him telling us how unloving we are because we are no longer jw.

cult and not had kids.

AnnOMaly

I'm with those who take the least confrontational approach. By all means put him right where he's unfairly twisted things round by blaming you for his own actions, but don't attack Watchtower. Absorb his own assault on you and acknowledge his hurt. Remember Rom. 12:17-21 - the one about conquering evil by 'heaping fiery coals' upon your opponent's head? Appeal to the human, not the angry cult persona.

Suggested outline for a response, if it's not too late:

It was lovely to hear from him but you and your wife found some of his comments hurtful and unfair. You understand why he feels angry with you but he has no idea of the pain of what you and your wife have been through in coming to the uncomfortable conclusions you have about the Organization (do not elucidate!) or the anguish in making the decision to leave it. Those conclusions and decisions were not arrived at lightly, nor were they intended to cause him grief. They were for reasons of conscience and personal integrity (I can't remember if you still believe the Bible or not, but if you do, add something to the effect that you have to stay loyal to God and the Scriptures.) If ever he wants to know your reasons, you'll be happy to discuss them, but if not, that's fine also. It's important to have mutual respect of each other's choices. At this point, remind him of the Awake! quote about how people shouldn't be forced to choose between beliefs and family.

Reassure him of your love for him, his brother and the grandchildren. You miss the grandkids terribly and would love to visit with them, write them, Skype, send gifts, etc., however, out of respect for his and his brother's express wishes on [such-an-occasion] (remind him of what he said and when), you have not done so, as distressing as it is for you and your wife.

Then ask how the grandkids are. How are they doing at school? Have they been or done anything exciting recently? Say you've enclosed checks for each of the grandkids so they can buy themselves a treat. Ask that he conveys your love, hugs and kisses to the kids. You hope to hear from him again soon, lots of love, etc.

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Current King James Bible now has 6,972 Jehovah's name restored.

by Iamallcool in

http://www.dnkjb.net/ .

AnnOMaly

There is only one name associated with the DNKJV. Jack Davidson (who says he isn't JW but sure speaks like one), who has the titles of 'Senior Editor' and 'Technical Support Director.' Mr. Davidson appeals for loans to keep this 'young translation' (LOL!) going:

https://www.facebook.com/dnkjb/posts/607591192650436?stream_ref=10

This FB thread is on public setting, btw, and dates from March 2014. It may disappear one day hence the reason for it being reproduced below.

The Divine Name King James Bible 14 March ·

We are facing some hard financial times and are working full time jobs in order to keep the Divine Name King James Bible in production.

WE CAN'T BEAR THE THOUGHT OF THIS YOUNG TRANSLATION GOING OUT OF PRINT. WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO EVEN ASK YOU HOW YOU FEEL, do we?

We refuse to be affiliated with any commercial organization or church, whether or not they are good or bad, simply so that this very special and unique of Bibles that have the Divine Name restored can remain free from accusations of bias.

So we can't do this without Jehovah's help. We are not really seeking divine intervention or prayers from you to Jehovah about this, that must be a matter of personal faith.

Our purpose to let everyone know what is going on and to ask for help from some and patience from those waiting on their order.

We are now forced to only print Bibles when we have enough Bibles to print.

1. If you will all rally support from your friends or even if you will order some bibles now and pay for it fully knowing that we don't yet have that bible to send to you - then that alone will be enough. - YOU WOULD GET YOUR BIBLE WITHIN 4 WEEKS AFTER THE DATE THAT WE REACH OUR GOAL.

Our goal would need to be just 500 Bibles.

Is this a good idea? We need your feedback or help.

2. IF ANYONE CAN LOAN US $5000 AT THIS TIME or if 5 people could loan $1000 or 10 could loan $500. The money will not go to pay salaries or bills of any kind but would only print the Bibles and you would be repaid as the orders were sent out. We don't need the income for our personal lives.

Please like and promote this page and tell as many people as soon as possible.

a fellow worker in Jehovah's fields,
Jack Davidson
Divine Name Publishers

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Top Comments Jim E King, Jacob Ramos Sr., Gwendolyn Holland Jenkins and 56 others like this.
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Daye Smith I like the Idea that you are not associated with JW's. People should see that we are not the only ones who know this history of the Divine Name, and Bible translation. I will donate but unfortunately I am retired, and can't afford much. 4 · 14 March at 18:12

Kenya Graves There are only witnesses of 2 beings... Witnesses of Jehovah or witnesses of Satan (Proverbs 27:11) 1 · 15 March at 18:01
The Divine Name King James Bible Kenya Graves we wholeheartedly agree. Those that avoid the Divine Name or trivialize it are Nitwitnesses. Satan is the greatest Nitwitnesses of them all. 15 March at 18:27

Chris Morris ?? 15 March at 06:07

The Divine Name King James Bible What do you mean to ask with using ?? 15 March at 09:38
Stuart West if you have the audacity to to add t the AV it is no longer the King James Bible , Remember Uzzah!!!!!!!! 22 March at 12:22

Royce Faina-Plentywolf Sell the rights to the, "International Bible Students of Pennsylvania!" 1 · 14 March at 16:08

The Divine Name King James Bible Who are they 15 March at 09:38
Kay Whaley They are the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. When I tell people of this Bible I whole heartedly add that we, The Society, did not print it as we have a new 2013 revision of the New World Translation. I am eager to let people know that someone else is wanting to do the work of getting the proper name back to its proper place, in the Holy Bible. 4 · 15 March at 15:20 · Edited
Steven Irizarry yeah they will get the job done 15 March at 16:07
Clare Harrison We have always had Jehovah God's name in our Bibles in the right passages and we do not have to pay for any of our Bibles from THE ASSOCIATION of Jehovah's Witnesses..everything we need is free...so why if having had Jehovah God's name in our Bibles for free..why should we pay someone who is not associated with Jehovah God's Witnesses?...The Governing Body has never asked us for any donation for them to print Bibles even when there was no money...ANYTHING FROM JEHOVAH GOD prospers..regardless of who what or where.... 17 March at 09:00

Donnie Barbra ? 14 March at 13:30

The Divine Name King James Bible Donnie Barbra can we answer a question for you? 15 March at 09:39

The Divine Name King James Bible I appreciate that you wanted to refer us to JW.ORG for they are indeed promoters of the Divine Name. However we are asking for donations from people who like the fact that the DNKJB is an excellent 2nd eyewitness that can be used to establish what the New World Translation has been saying for decades. 5 · 14 March at 15:47 · Edited
The Divine Name King James Bible donate any amount if you can to

www.donate.dnkjb.org WE ARE GOING TO REPORT WHAT COMES IN. WE DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE MONEY THEY HAVE SET ASIDE ALREADY TO GIVE TO JEHOVAH to help us. Do that FIRST. Having said that we ask sincerely for everyone that sees this Bible as promoting the truth that Jehovah has a name and that it should be in every single bible in the world.

donate any amount if you can to www.donate.dnkjb.org 3 · 14 March at 11:51 · Edited
Gladys Caffaro I am very happy that your new bible will have a Jehovah's name back where it was remove from. Many people doesn't know God's name because it was erase from your and many other bibles. We witnesses try to explain to people that that is God's name but i t is difficult for them to understand because other bible eliminated the most important name through out the bible. The name of Our Creator, The Universal Sovereign, our Heavenly Father Jehovah God. Thank you for your effort and for having the courage to do what is right, because, after all, the bible is not a human inspired book but, God's inspired book. 8 · 15 March at 15:12
The Divine Name King James Bible Someone named Stewart West messaged us but not right here in this Facebook conversation thread. He felt this way:

why didn't you listen to JESUS at revelation 22 when he specifically said not to add or take away from the Word.Plagues coming on those w ho dare to do this.This project will not prosper.

The reply from the Divine Name Publishers is:

Stuart West? are you serious! Self righteous men have for centuries in the King James Bible have removed only one word from it. That is the name JEHOVAH. Based on the fact that I agree with you that plagues will come on those that dare do this, then we know who it is that has done it. As for this project, IT ADDS NOTHING to the Authorized King James Bible. The AKJV had better have JEHOVAH IN IT at least 7000 times or those who purport that it is from Jehovah as the AKJV says at Ps 83:18 that it must be are in deep trouble.

We ask everyone to express their support now in anyway they can.

www.donate.dnkjb.org 2 · 14 March at 12:37
Anthony Beldad Arpon you may read or download for FREE The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures at jw.org. it also restored the name Jehovah on its proper place. 5 · 14 March at 22:54
The Divine Name King James Bible Thank you John M Danko Jr 1 · 14 March at 11:51
The Divine Name King James Bible thank you the 4 people that LIKED IT out of 32 that have seen it 1 · 14 March at 11:36 · Edited
The Divine Name King James Bible if i may respond using the New World Translation - Proverbs 18:23 to Clare Harrison and Patricia Eastwood . The poor man implores when speaking,
But the rich man answers harshly. We have reached out without receiving much empathy and we ask again for support. we aren't asking much 23 March at 12:19
The Divine Name King James Bible Clare Harrison actually JWs printed and distributed for a required donation the AKJV for many decades before the printing of the NWT. Patricia Eastwood I would hardly condemn JWs as a false religion for that since even in Isreal it was a law to donate. 23 March at 12:09
The Divine Name King James Bible Stuart West I agree Uzzah is a pattern to avoid and the pattern to follow is that of Jesus the one declaring of God's name to us and a restorer of it to the way of true Christianity. The DNKJB is a repentant version of the AKJV more like King Manass ah whom Jehovah set as an example for those seeking shelter under the blood of Jesus who died on a great Sabbath and Passover, which by the way is coming soon April 14th this year. 23 March at 12:04
The Divine Name King James Bible Stuart West Jesus said he had made his father's name known. John 17:26. Are you aware of the fact that the same Jewish sectarian movement that killed Jesus is the same one that audaciously removed Jehovah from God's own holy word? and this was 1800 y ears before the King James Bible was translated by 'good' and 'faithful' people who also knew Jehovah was the actual authentic translation but copying the pattern of wicked men before them, they kept Jehovah removed from the scriptures, in other words the aided and abetted the work of Satan, who was behind the murder of Jesus and who is the author of confusion down to this very day? 23 March at 11:57
The Divine Name King James Bible Clare Harrison actually JWs for almost 100 years asked for donations for their literature. It's not evil to ask for support. Jehovahs law to Isreal was ti give 10%. We agree with you that false religion is always asking for a handout. We aren't affiliated with any church or religion so that we wouldn't have to endure false and hurtful accusations to that effect. 20 March at 16:08
Ron Eady Y'all should not have to ask twice people that believe in Jehovah's name should help out period that's what giving is all about 2 · 15 March at 18:05
Kenya Graves JW.org. .. Jehovah's Website 5 · 14 March at 14:28
Daye Smith They are NOT false religion. They have simply produced a Bible with Jehovah's name put in its rightful place, Just like ours. You are free to donate to any cause you choose. Of course, Ours would come first, but this Bible, for as long as it is available provides a witness that we are correct in returning God's name to the Bible. We don't need this but perhaps those we witness to may. 1 · 18 March at 04:37
Shenita K Spruell Would you be able to get app developers to donate their time to develop an app and charge for it? Tablets are invaluable in the ministry. 1 · 15 March at 19:13
Kay Whaley I have purchased 2 of your 1st print editions. I am passing the word about this Bible to my friends and Bible Study. People do not believe there is a KJV like this and I assure them there is. I also tell them the name of your website. 1 · 15 March at 15:19 · Edited
Patricia Eastwood False religion took Jehovah name out of the King James Bible , they don't even know are use his name . Days smith . They believe in the trinty . The trinty , purgatory , inherent immortality of the human soul eternal torment in hell , are not found in the bible Eccl :9 5, 10 Psa146: 4 1john4;8 go to JW . Org free . 3 · 15 March at 08:05
Doug Hammerich Why would anyone want a KJV which has been tampered with so as to appeal only to JWs?? 13 May at 11:59
Daye Smith per the Bible everything is established at the testimony of two witnesses. There is not a command that Jesus gave which was not repeated. Now that God's name has been removed from most Bibles it is important to have another witness such as the DNKJV. 16 March at 06:04
Ron Eady I'll help 15 March at 18:02

Joe Lombardo I would really like to think of the best way to help out. What idea do you have? 15 March at 18:35
Ron Eady We'll Joe the thing is to give something, something is better than nothing, I'm gonna buy 2 bibles an give them away, that would help spread Jehovah's name.. We spend our money on all sorts of things what's more important than Jehovah's name 16 March at 07:22

Donnie Barbra Just saw the post and didn't know what it was. No need to reply. 15 March at 11:32
John M Danko Jr I love my DNKJB. I read it daily.
I am between jobs at the moment. Once I am able, I will forward a donation. I will keep this matter in my prayers. I appreciate all of the hard work that was put into this project. Please be assured of my sincere heartfelt prayers. May Jehovah's warm smile of approval be upon you as you make his Name manifest by means of the DNKJB. 14 March at 11:44
Louise Jones I would also like to know the best way for me to help, please what can I do what ever. 1 · 16 March at 20:06
Patricia Eastwood Just like false religion , always sticking their hand out . His name has always been in the bible , false religion removed it . But Jehovah put it back .Psa 83:18 17 March at 11:57

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The Watchtower 3/15/2015 Parables! New Understanding! plus More!

by wifibandit in

http://imgur.com/a/e6dos.

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AnnOMaly

So because Daniel 4's dream is interpreted by Daniel to be typical of Nebuchadnezzar's reign, the Society can also assign an antitype to that dream to represent the Gentile times. Does that make sense?

They can, but they've just said it shouldn't be done unless scripturally warranted. The inspired apostle Paul is allowed to make those kinds of types/antitypes associations (Melchizedek, Sarah and Hagar, Jesus = Passover Lamb, etc.) but by Watchtower's own words,

"... we ought to be reluctant to assign an antitypical application to a certain person or account if there is no specific Scriptural basis for doing so."

The Org's antitypical interpretation of Dan. 4 is without specific scriptural basis. This new interpretational approach by the Org. agrees with what critics of Watchtower doctrine have been saying for, like, forever.

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The Watchtower 3/15/2015 Parables! New Understanding! plus More!

by wifibandit in

http://imgur.com/a/e6dos.

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AnnOMaly

What a mindjob! Those poor JWs.

The WT says that the clearer, simpler comparisons between Bible narratives and modern lessons for us (without all the complex type/anti-type applications) "has the hallmark of divine teaching" (p. 11). It would be reasonable to conclude, then, that the previous complex type/anti-type applications the Org gave didn't have the hallmark of divine teaching. It was all man-made hooey masquerading as divine teaching.

The same goes for the "specific symbolic meanings" assigned "even to small details of Jesus' parable of the ten virgins, including the lamps, the oil, the flasks, and so forth." The paragraph continues, "Is it possible, though, that we were allowing the spotlight to shift from the parable's simple, urgent message?" (P. 13) Note the phrase, 'we were allowing.' Yes, it was you, Watchtower. Not God; not Jesus; not the Holy Spirit. You. You, who claim to champion Bible Truth and boast about exclusively having God's direction and favor. You who constantly denigrate the churches for their perversions of Scripture.

Additionally, the Org has always, since Russell's day, insisted that the Bridegroom had already arrived - 1874 then 1918 - always a retrospective interpretation. From 2013, however, the Bridegroom's arrival has been pushed into the future and the GB reiterates that new understanding in this article.

Despite these long-running falsehoods published by Watchtower, the GB states that, "Throughout the last days," the anointed "have acted like those discreet virgins," faithful and "steadily shining as illuminators, undaunted by any apparent delay in the arrival of the Bridegroom." (P. 14) Apart from the anachronistic expression, 'undaunted by any apparent delay in the arrival of the Bridegroom' (see paragraph above), how can the anointed be called 'discreet' or 'illuminators' when boldly promulgating misinterpretations of prophecy and parables, when the spotlight was turned in the wrong direction?

To addle poor JWs' brains even more, para. 9 on p. 14 construes Jesus' detail in his story about the ten virgins actually dozing off and falling fast asleep as an "implied warning" that faithful, anointed ones heeded so that they didn't fall asleep!

Here's a real doozy from the QFR on p. 18:

"Humans cannot know which Bible accounts are shadows of things to come and which are not. The clearest course is this: Where the Scriptures teach that an individual, an event, or an object is typical of something else, we accept it as such. Otherwise, we ought to be reluctant to assign an antitypical application to a certain person or account if there is no specific Scriptural basis for doing so."

With all the repeated shooting itself in the feet lately, it's a wonder Watchtower has any lower extremities left to be able to add another bloody hole.

You've just torpedoed your interpretation of DANIEL 4, you muppets!

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The Watchtower 3/15/2015 Parables! New Understanding! plus More!

by wifibandit in

http://imgur.com/a/e6dos.

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AnnOMaly

Oh boy. I'm working my way through this jumble right now.

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So the year the FDS(1919) got appointed, Jehovah said it was ok to celebrate Xmas?

by hardtobeme in

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AnnOMaly

w13 7/15 p. 11 par. 6 “Look! I Am With You All the Days”

Still, there were numerous religious groups who claimed to be Christ’s followers. So a crucial question needed to be answered: Who among those groups were the wheat? To settle that question, Jesus began to inspect the spiritual temple in 1914. That inspection and cleansing work involved a period of time—from 1914 to the early part of 1919.

ws14 1/15 pp. 8-13, "100 Years of Kingdom Rule—How Does It Affect You?"

After Jesus cleansed the heavens of the bad influence of Satan and his demons, Jehovah had Jesus inspect and refine his followers here on earth. The prophet Malachi described this as a cleansing. (Malachi 3:1-3) History shows that this cleansing happened between 1914 and the beginning of 1919. ... If we want to be a part of Jehovah’s universal family, we must be clean, or holy. (1 Peter 1:15, 16) We must keep our worship clean from the contamination of false religion or politics.

Christmas was evidently not included in the cleansing process, therefore Jehovah couldn't have been too bothered about it.

He chose them anyway - Christmas, crosses, birthdays ...

All deemed,

Spiritually clean,

In 1919.