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  Recordings of conventions and co talks

  by GoUnion in

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  are the parts on conventions and the talks given at congregations at co's still under the orders not to be recorded by the members?

  i seem to remember an announcement like this when i was in, but i paid very little mind to it.

  after learning about some of the more outspoken talks given by co's over the years i was curious what their official reasonings were for these bans.. it seems clear to me though that the ban is simply to give themselves some sort of plausible deniabiltiy and allow the co's to go on their little rants.

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  GoUnion

  Are the parts on conventions and the talks given at congregations at co's still under the orders not to be recorded by the members? i seem to remember an announcement like this when i was in, but i paid very little mind to it. after learning about some of the more outspoken talks given by co's over the years i was curious what their official reasonings were for these bans.

  it seems clear to me though that the ban is simply to give themselves some sort of plausible deniabiltiy and allow the co's to go on their little rants. anyone have any information on this?
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  Shaving: Wet or Electric?

  by FL_Panthers in

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  something i ponder about now and again.

  i don't shave that much, maybe twice a week so it's not even a big deal, but i saw someone at the health club using an electric shaver and that got me pondering all over again.. .

  i've been using mach iii recently and fairly happy with that.

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  GoUnion

  I wanted to be one of those guys that grew a beard after leaving JWs but I'm not allowed to have a beard with my job so I shave pretty regularly. good shaving cream after a hot shower and keeping sharp razors helps turn your shaving chore into a manly ritual. Check out safety blades sometime, someday I'm gonna get a straight blade though.
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  SOCIETY OFFICIAL'S TESTIFY AT TRIAL

  by Giordano in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  society official's testify at trial .

  in 1954 some of the most important leaders in the society were called on to give testimony in a court of law in scotland in 1954.the testimony is found here at http://hourglass2.com/historical/the-list/list7_09.htm.

  nathan knorr was president of the society at this time, and fred franz was vice president.

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  I used the phrase "forced unity" when an elder told me only JWs have love among themselves. Always nice to know others think very similar to me, helps remind me I'm not crazy. thanks for the link.
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  Is it possible to maintain personal beliefs as a member of the Watchtower Society

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is it possible to maintain personal beliefs as a member of the watchtower society when absolute unity is demanded?https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140601160940aawap1s.

  this question was deleted from yahoo!

  answers due to it being "insulting/ ranting" against a group.

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  GoUnion

  I suppose so I know I did. however you will never truly lead a fulfilling life if you realize you are not free to express your opinions or openly talk about serious situations in the organization.

  It has made me wonder though if the wt changed it's stance on "unity" and the atmosphere that was fostered was one of research and discussions among members, what would be the result? It wont happen but I think it could potentially make for a nice network.
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  What is the key to free yourself from the Organization?

  by suavojr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  they key to free yourself from the organization is having mental clarity of what is happening in relation to the watchtower, inside and out.

  their basic concept is that they are god's sole organization on earth.

  there really is no basis for anyone to make that statement.

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  ADCLMS- thanks for the quote that one is going to stick with me for a long time!
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  Survey---who is inactive, disfellowshipped/disassociated or active?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i am inactive for about 10 years now..

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  GoUnion

  Inactive for almost 6 months or so. I'm happier, healthier, and i have a little more cash in my pocket.

  I find it interesting how many people here live productive, peaceful lives, and no doubt have a positive effect in their community. seems to fly in the face of the bitter, angry, prideful, mentally diseased, and rebellious, depection so many of us were taught.
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  How *exactly* you and your income are being affected by inequality.

  by cognisonance in

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  2. current

  i found this link really interesting: inequality.is and associated with the excellent robert reich documentary: inequality for all.. .

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  we need better wages for the middle class?

  we need unions to have a stronger say in the workforce.
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  Well, what can you say???? I am speechless.

  by DATA-DOG in

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  2. beliefs

  exhibit a:.

  awake!

  "if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

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  thanks for this post data dog. The very best arguement against the organization is using it's own teachings and words. I know I will be printing the 69 awake to use with this wt now. Well done sir.
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  Opposing opinions

  by GoUnion in

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  2. friends

  any current or ex jw knows there is a lot of counsel against association with nice people that do not share your faith.

  i think this is very damaging for personal growth, we never really can challenge our convictions, we become stunted in ability to reason and make personal decisions.

  this is also why the organization has fought against "higher education" so hard.

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  GoUnion

  any current or ex jw knows there is a lot of counsel against association with nice people that do not share your faith. I think this is very damaging for personal growth, we never really can challenge our convictions, we become stunted in ability to reason and make personal decisions. this is also why the organization has fought against "higher education" so hard.

  Im im not a college graduate myself but for most of my life I have always been friends with some staunch athiests and we have had some heated debates, but we have always remained close friends and I know we respect each other. Since I have left the organization I think I am just now starting to see how isolated and controlled witnesses are.

  any thoughts on friends that you disagree with religiously, socially, politically?
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  GET A CLOSE INSIGHT INTO HOW RUTHERFORD made excuses in Court

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we are all familiar with the flip-flop on the generation teaching which, in effect, demonstrates watchtower interpretations do not stand the test of time and must be changed.

  the words of god suddenly become the opinions of men, time after time.. the teachings and interpretations of pastor c.t.

  russell changed often during his lifetime in regards to dates and pyramid speculations.. next, with judge rutherford, the wildest exaggerations of his imagination were proclaimed to be god's own mind revealed to man in the pages of his many books!.

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  Very interesting I would like to listen to those hearings someday.