ok well i have updated you about the dilemma about my wife and family and more recently about the elders trying to schedule a shepherding call.. on our way back from th international convention she basically told me if i were to leave that we should go our seperate ways.. so i took a few days and thought about it.
it seems she was more mad about my waffling back and forth and going to the hall sometimes and just not making up my mind.. today i gave her a proposal- i will stop going all together unless it it an assembly or convention or memorial for her.. we will not discuss religious topics, as this is where most of our arguments have been centered around, at all.. we will support all of each others endeavors besides religious intrests.
i will talk to my family and let them know my intentions without getting into an details next month because my mother keeps calling me about it.
I'm in the exact same situation, try your hardest not to push too hard. You will make far more progress when she sees you are happy and free. She will eveenthly start asking you a few questions at a time, keep it sweet and simple.
its been working for me.
recently a jw friend that my wife & i knew 3 years ago added me on facebook, after i accepted the request she invited me to a dinner that her and her husband are holding next month.. i imagined that she was unaware of our apostasy, so i declined the invitation on the basis of not wanting to ruin her dinner after the rest of her guests fled at our presence.. i'm never sure how old friends will react when i tell them that i'm no longer a jw.. usually their response is "..... permanent-silence......".
her response went something like this, " we are all out!
everyone that is coming is out we all look forward to seeing you guys so much" it turns out that there will be 6 people at the dinner all friends of ours from a congregation that we attended a few years back.. they have all left the organization recently.. pretty crazy experience..
That is great news!
may you enjoy delicious food and better company!
i don't mean jws getting stumbled or bored or getting dfd for immorality- there always have been a certain number of those all the time.. i've been out for a few years now but am curious to know from "still ins" if there is any evidence of increasing numbers of people leaving for classic "apostate" reasons - ie either fading or getting dfd because they have done research & realise that this isn't "the truth".. when i was a jw occasionally i would hear of someone suddenly stopping going to meetings & hearing through the grapevine & jw gossip mill that the person no longer believed it was the truth or had expressed doubts in the "slave" etc.
but it didn't happen very often ( though it was increasing somewhat in the years before i left).. one would imagine with the internet & increased information available to all that this would be happening more often.
any evidence of this , anecdotally?
I hav only been out around 7 months but among many of my active friends from the Midwest area, there have been many many divorces among mid to late twenties and a good number have stopped attending, singles as well.
i think the push for pioneering and the advice to do more is to keep a smaller number, but to keep them in a bubble and keep them zealous. its considered sifting and allows for more precise control.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/ucnxy0-n67n4a5a8ekbar-iw/playlists.
i hate self-promotion.
but every time i put something out there on the internet, and then promote it, some part of me feels ashamed for drawing attention to myself.
I had enjoyed many of your posts I wish you well in your endeavors.
this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.
he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.
well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.
Hi villagegirl. my initial enthusiasim for my fathers research has now been hindered by his belief to solely trust the society's "scholars". I can't be too mad at him I was the same way at one point in my life. He doesnt see anything wrong with the organization I hope his viewpoint will change at some point.
I own CoC it is a wonderful book written by someone who unfortuantly gave up so much for false ideas, I hope to never make that mistake again.
this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.
he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.
well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.
Not well londo... Not encouraging at all. I asked my father this week how his research has went and he said he was busy with the c.o. at his house(the c.o. is staying in my old bedroom lol) and has not done anything in depth. He said he and my mother have looked at the wt articles again and they are confident this is the truth.
it looks like I won't be making any headway soon. He has invested his whole life to this organization I think the idea of leaving or being cast out terrifies him.
im disappointed he won't look at the misquoted references but I think that is the cult mentality taking over. It's a damn shame though.
this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.
he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.
well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.
I forgot to add this will take me awhile to get through so please be patient if I dont have too man questions right away. My schedule is full between work and family but I will be researching this as much as I can. i am very excited to be able to show my father some honest concerns any normal person would have with an organization that I intentionally uses misleading quotes.
this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.
he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.
well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.
Wow thank you all for so much information it will take me some time to get through all of this.
Doug- I have read several of your articles before I assure you i will email any questions I have.
Defender- thanks for all the info
annOMaly- thank you for the interest when I have specific questions I will take you up on your offer.
this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.
he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.
well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.
I am sorry for the spelling errors posting on an iPhone is a real pain for me.
this topic has been covered extensively but i just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father.
he called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if i'm going to msettings and i always tell him no im not.
well this time he wanted to know why i didn't trust the g.b.
this topic has been covered extensively but I just wanted relate what hapopenes with this subject and my elder father. He called me up one day to check in on me he always asks if I'm going to msettings and I always tell him no im not. Well this time he wanted to know why I didn't trust the g.b. and I told him when they uses sources to prove their point they misquote what the sources say. He didn't believe that the watchtower would do this, but he said he would look it up.
I know memebers of this board and Karl Johnsonn have shown these sources but I know my father will not accept their word. What should I do if I need to find the actual book or papers that are quoted.
i am very excited about my father willing to look something outside the wt and I hope this endeavor goes well any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated!
