Yes, darkspilver... The Judge sent this "part" of the piece to the Central Registry of the Ministry of Justice to report it to Belgium.
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Spain: 5 police complaint on JW in one month
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http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/cinco-denuncias-testigos-jehova-5632503 .
guillem sànchez / barcelona.
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Spain: Israel, molested at 5 years and committed to silent his abuse. Juan, disfellowshipped for enquiring about molestation, sexual abuse
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http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/dos-denuncias-mas-contra-ley-del-silencio-los-testigos-jehova-5633266#.
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A total denial panick method....
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Spain: 5 police complaint on JW in one month
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http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/cinco-denuncias-testigos-jehova-5632503 .
guillem sànchez / barcelona.
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Good point darkspilver...
If you check both Castillas and Catalan versions there is a different point. Castilla mentions one month and Catalan since end September... Factually both are correct. My police complaint was done end September, so around month and half...
My police report went to the Judge but as abuse claim was more than 10 or 15 years ago this part is prescribed. Anyhow as a bigger case is now open with Noelia case, my claim has not yet being fully discarded but temporary archived waiting more info from this part of the investigation.
Regarding the last two points, it was largely answered in answered in the same post.
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Noelia 29 years, raped at 9 years... new case in Spanish newspaper
by sp74bb inweblink: http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/nueva-denuncia-contra-testigos-jehova-por-ocultar-abusos-sexuales-pederasta-5631962.
a religious organization under suspect.
the jehovah's witnesses to a raped girl: "if you tell it, you will be without paradise".
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We are going to ask a similar ARC in Spain...
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A movie: "I ran away from Jehovah's Witnesses"
by sp74bb innov 13, 2016.. http://www.vanityfair.it/news/storie/16/11/13/testimoni-di-geova-storia-x-factor.
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when sara told her parents that he no longer wanted to be a jehovah's witness, the father replied that he preferred the dead.
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Have in mind it is a Google translation not a human one ;)
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Spain: Israel, molested at 5 years and committed to silent his abuse. Juan, disfellowshipped for enquiring about molestation, sexual abuse
by sp74bb inweblink:.
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/dos-denuncias-mas-contra-ley-del-silencio-los-testigos-jehova-5633266#.
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Hello Brokeback,
We had in Spain a recent lawsuit with "Maristas" a part of Catholic Church. Unfortunately most of the cases were prescribed. The law only allows 10 to 15 years after being 18 years old. Now there is a trend in politicians to extend it up to 30 years.
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"El Periodico" Editorial, Nov 17 2016
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http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/opinion/mas-sospechas-sobre-los-testigos-jehova-5633725.
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More suspicions about Jehovah's Witnesses
Those responsible for religious organization should be the first interested in getting out of the serious denunciations of former members
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2016
At the end of September, this newspaper reported the complaint filed by an ex-member of the Jehovah's Witnesses where he explained the harassment he suffered after leaving the religious organization. He also revealed the sexual abuses suffered during his adolescence by a member of the entity and how his co-religionists told him to be silent in order not to bring shame to the community. Less than three months later new allegations of disgusting sexual assaults on minors who belonged to their families and who, like an 8-year-old girl raped, were threatened with being "without paradise" if They told what had happened.
Logically, it will now be the justice that determines the nature of the facts denounced and the possible criminal responsibilities of what is now a police report. However, the accumulation of such testimonies raise unavoidable suspicions that will only dissipate with an exercise of transparency on the part of those responsible for the religious entity. They must be the first interested in responding to the grave accusations of these former members of their community who, in the worst case, would equate the most obscure sectarian groups. With more than 100,000 faithful in Spain - out of the 8.5 million worldwide - Jehovah's Witnesses can not afford to have reasonable doubts about their activities. And the rest of society, either.
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Spain: 5 police complaint on JW in one month
by sp74bb inweblink:.
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/cinco-denuncias-testigos-jehova-5632503 .
guillem sànchez / barcelona.
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GUILLEM SÀNCHEZ / BARCELONA
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 16, 2016 - 18:06 CET
The Society of Christian Witnesses of Jehovah - the official name of this confession in Spain - has accumulated over the last month five different allegations. The first was picked up at the end of September the Badalona police station of the Mossos d'Esquadra. Miguel Garcia explained to this newspaper that he filed this complaint to uncover the parallel judicial hearings celebrated by this religious confession, the coercion suffered by his members and the concealment by Cardedéu's congregation of the sexual abuse he suffered at the age of 16 in Belgium .
The second was presented by Sarah in early October in a police station of the Civil Guard in Salamanca. This woman explained that Jehovah's Witnesses of Brazil expelled her for her transsexual status and then forbade her mother and sister to talk to her.
At the end of October, Juan Bourgon reported in Santander that he was expelled from the congregation for asking about information on cases of child sexual abuse that were emerging in the United States.
Israel Flórez presented a few days ago the fourth lawsuit in Toledo to explain that the group of which he was part decided to cover the abuses he suffered with 5 years.
With the denunciation of Noelia there are already 5 complaints filed against this organization. Three of these reproduce a common approach to sexual abuse of minors: not to denounce them and keep them secret.
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Spain: Israel, molested at 5 years and committed to silent his abuse. Juan, disfellowshipped for enquiring about molestation, sexual abuse
by sp74bb inweblink:.
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/dos-denuncias-mas-contra-ley-del-silencio-los-testigos-jehova-5633266#.
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Original text for reference:
Extestigos de Jehová contra la ley del silencio de la organización
Israel Flórez asegura que la organización le exigió que no contara los abusos sufridos para proteger la imagen del grupo
Juan Bourgon ha sido expulsado de la confesión por preguntar sobre el maltrato sexual infantil
Israel Flórez, Testigo de Jehová.
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MIÉRCOLES, 16 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2016 - 23:06 CET
Israel Flórez, un hombre de 42 años de Toledo, ha asegurado a EL PERIÓDICO que la congregación Puerta del Ángel -perteneciente a los Testigos Cristianos de Jehová- le pidió que ocultara en el año 2000 los abusos sexuales que sufrió de pequeño -en 1979- por parte de un miembro de esta confesión religiosa.
Los padres de Flórez adoptaron la fe de los Testigos de Jehová en 1968. Él ya nació dentro de esta confesión religiosa. Cuando tenía 5 años, su madre le dejó un día con el hijo de unos amigos que tendría entre 17 y 18 años, también de la organización religiosa. Este se lo llevó a su casa, ubicada en el paseo de los Jesuitas (Madrid), lo encerró en su habitación, lo desnudó, le hizo tocamientos y se masturbó frente a él.
Tras escucharle, el anciano -este es el nombre que reciben las personas de mayor rango dentro de cada congregación- le respondió que comunicaría la información con la sede central de Ajalvir(Madrid). Días después, le explicó que lo mejor era "no hacer nada", que tenía que "dejar el asunto en manos de Jehová".
Tras este incidente, tanto él como su mujer se alejaron de la confesión porque se dieron cuenta de que esta celebraba audiencias judiciales por motivos tan peregrinos como "fumar, emborracharse, ser homosexual o ver pornografía" y, sin embargo, en casos como el suyo optaba por no actuar contra el agresor, quien "sigue a día de hoy formando parte del credo".
Flórez ha presentado recientemente una denuncia ante la Guardia Civil en Toledo que se suma a la de Noelia Piris y a la que Miguel García presentó en los Mossos d’Esquadra, así como a la de Sarah en Salamanca. Afirma que lo ha hecho porque quiere "evitar" que le ocurra a más gente lo mismo que le ha tocado vivir a él dentro de una organización que "no respeta libertades básicas que tienen todos los seres humanos".
"EXPULSADO POR PREGUNTAR"
La quinta denuncia presentada en sede policial contra esta organización la ha presentada Juan Bourgon, un hombre de 38 años residente en Santander. Ha sido recientemente expulsado de la confesión tras preguntar en su congregación acerca de la veracidad de noticias publicadas en los diarios 'El País' y 'El Mundo' que informaban sobre los abusos sexuales cometidos por miembros de los Testigos de Jehová en Estados Unidos y sobre las indemnizaciones millonarias que se estaban pagando a las víctimas.
Un anciano de su congregación, Cuatro Caminos (Santander), le pidió que se abstuviera de “hablar” con el resto de miembros de estas informaciones y le instó a escribir una carta a la cúpula que él mismo entregaría para resolver sus dudas. Bourgon ha hecho llegar a este diario la misiva que escribió y que nunca se envió.
Días después, dos ancianos montaron un encuentro con él, que duró seis horas, durante el que trataron de convencerle de que se trataba de publicaciones "orquestadas por el demonio". No lo lograron. Y siguió inquieto y hablando con sus conocidos. Poco después fue expulsado por "apostasía".
Su padre le ha retirado la palabra. "Cree que soy un enfermo mental", explica este hombre que ha visto truncada gravemente la relación con su familia al preguntar sobre los abusos sexuales a menores que se producen dentro de esta confesión.
Bourgon ha presentado esta denuncia tanto en el Cuerpo Nacional de Policía como en la Guardia Civil. El primer cuerpo entregó la querella a un juzgado de instrucción y este lo ha archivado porque "no aprecia ningún delito". Una decisión que ha recurrido. El segundo, de momento, según remarcan fuentes policiales, la tiene en cuenta como parte de su investigación sobre los abusos sexuales a menores silenciados dentro de este credo.
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Spain: Israel, molested at 5 years and committed to silent his abuse. Juan, disfellowshipped for enquiring about molestation, sexual abuse
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http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/sociedad/dos-denuncias-mas-contra-ley-del-silencio-los-testigos-jehova-5633266#.
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Ex JW against the Law of Silence of the Organization
Israel Flórez says that the organization demanded that it not count the abuses suffered to protect the image of the group
Juan Bourgon has been expelled from the confession for asking about child sexual abuse
GUILLEM SÀNCHEZ / TOLEDO
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 16, 2014 - 23:06 CET
Israel Flórez, a 42-year-old man from Toledo, told El Periódico that the Angel Gate congregation - belonging to Jehovah's Witnesses - asked him to hide in 2000 the sexual abuse he suffered as a child - in 1979 - By a member of this religious denomination.
Florez's parents adopted the Jehovah's Witnesses faith in 1968. He was already born within this religious confession. When he was 5 years old, his mother left him one day with the son of some friends who would be between 17 and 18 years, also of the religious organization. He took him to his house, located on the Paseo de los Jesuitas (Madrid), locked him in his room, undressed him, touched him and masturbated in front of him.
After listening to him, the old man - this is the name given to the senior people within each congregation - replied that he would communicate the information with the headquarters of Ajalvir (Madrid). Days later, he explained that it was best to "do nothing", that he had to "leave the matter to Jehovah."
After this incident, both he and his wife walked away from the confession because they realized that the court held court hearings for reasons as pilgrims as "smoking, get drunk, be homosexual or see pornography" and yet in cases like yours Opted not to act against the aggressor, who "continues today to be part of the creed."
Flórez has recently filed a complaint with the Guardia Civil in Toledo, in addition to that of Noelia Piris and the one that Miguel García presented in the Mossos d'Esquadra, as well as that of Sarah in Salamanca. He says he has done so because he wants to "avoid" what happens to more people than he has to live in an organization that "does not respect the basic freedoms that all human beings have."
"EXPULSED BY ASKING"
The fifth complaint lodged at the police headquarters against this organization was presented by Juan Bourgon, a 38-year-old man living in Santander. He has recently been expelled from the confession after asking in his congregation about the veracity of news published in the newspapers 'El País' and 'El Mundo' that reported on sexual abuse committed by members of Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States and about The millionaire damages that were being paid to the victims.
An old man from his congregation, Cuatro Caminos (Santander), asked him to refrain from "talking" with the other members of this information and urged him to write a letter to the leadership that he himself would deliver to resolve his doubts. Bourgon has sent to this newspaper the missive that he wrote and that was never sent. Juan Bourgon, extestigo of Jehovah in Santander
Days later, two elders set up a meeting with him, which lasted six hours, during which they tried to convince him that they were "orchestrated by the devil". They did not succeed. And he remained restless and talking to his acquaintances. Soon after, he was expelled for "apostasy."
His father has taken his word away. "He thinks I'm a mentally ill," explains this man who has been severely cut off from his relationship with his family by asking about sexual abuse of minors that occur within this confession.
Bourgon has filed this complaint both in the National Police Corps and in the Civil Guard. The first body handed the complaint to a court of investigation and the court has filed because "no appreciation of any crime." A decision that has appealed. The second, at the moment, as noted by police sources, is taken into account as part of its investigation into sexual abuse of minors silenced within this creed.
