as jws we were often told what the theme of the bible is, we were taught that it was the promised seed.. i was recently asked the question.... what is the main "idea" of the bible?.
for me the whole purpose of the bible is about control.
it features a god that punishes and rewards.
Onthewayout, don't you currently live under the same law as 5000 years ago?
Of caurse if you don't believe in God, you still bound by 6 out of 10 commendments that found in the Bible.
Don't still, don't murder, don't covet, don't lie, do not commit adultery, honor your parents. You know them appart from scripture, don't you??
thanks,
Max
as jws we were often told what the theme of the bible is, we were taught that it was the promised seed.. i was recently asked the question.... what is the main "idea" of the bible?.
for me the whole purpose of the bible is about control.
it features a god that punishes and rewards.
Onthewayout you got interesting thoughts.
Why do you so confident that no people EVER lived under the Mosaic Law Code?
thanks,
Max
as jws we were often told what the theme of the bible is, we were taught that it was the promised seed.. i was recently asked the question.... what is the main "idea" of the bible?.
for me the whole purpose of the bible is about control.
it features a god that punishes and rewards.
Hi Kate,
Thank you for inviting me to your thread.
Lets take step at a time and not jump into conclusions right away. Lets challenge one another. For a moment we will put Bible aside and will try not to pull any information from it for now. Shell we.
You said you believe in God. So am I. Apart from the Bible what can we say about God? We can say many things by observing the Universe and us humans. Can we say He is Almighty? I am sure you and most of us in this thread looked at a beautiful night sky. If it is not cloudy, we can see myriads of stars. We know for certain most of them are greatly bigger than our little Earth. Through ages humans discovered multiple galaxies and determined that our Cosmos or Universe is immeasurably huge. Scientists say it still stretches. It helps us greatly to see how Powerful and Mighty God Creator is. He is Omnipotent.
What do you think?
Thank you,
Max
i've talked with some good friends on the board about this before and we seem to be in agreement : one reason ( among many ) that some disfellowshipped jw's go back and return to the wt organization is because they are full of uneeded guilt or uneeded fear because they haven't educated themselves about how the wt society uses mind control tactics to deceive them into thinking they have " nowhere else to go " .
i understand that some dfed ones may go back to the organization for family and friends- however- it's an exrecise in futility because once you learn the truth about the truth you cannot undo what you heard.
so some may just go back and live a fake jw life to appease family- but just think of how that can damage a person's emotional and mental health playing the fake jw game the rest of their lives !
Flipper,
Here is what you said to me last time: "MAXIMUS- Exactly, you are correct. I do not believe in absolute truth. Truth is relative depending on who is delivering it and what vantage point a person is in while determining an answer. Whatever is good for you may not be good for me and vice versa. What I do may not turn you on - so that's how I roll."
By your own words you admit you do not believe in absolute truth. Is that absolute truth statement??? Or was it a relative statement??
thank you,
Maximus
i've talked with some good friends on the board about this before and we seem to be in agreement : one reason ( among many ) that some disfellowshipped jw's go back and return to the wt organization is because they are full of uneeded guilt or uneeded fear because they haven't educated themselves about how the wt society uses mind control tactics to deceive them into thinking they have " nowhere else to go " .
i understand that some dfed ones may go back to the organization for family and friends- however- it's an exrecise in futility because once you learn the truth about the truth you cannot undo what you heard.
so some may just go back and live a fake jw life to appease family- but just think of how that can damage a person's emotional and mental health playing the fake jw game the rest of their lives !
Thank you for your reply Flipper.
So you do not belive in ABSOLUTE truth than?
what ever is good for me is good for me and what ever is good for you is good for you?
thank you,
Maximus
i've talked with some good friends on the board about this before and we seem to be in agreement : one reason ( among many ) that some disfellowshipped jw's go back and return to the wt organization is because they are full of uneeded guilt or uneeded fear because they haven't educated themselves about how the wt society uses mind control tactics to deceive them into thinking they have " nowhere else to go " .
i understand that some dfed ones may go back to the organization for family and friends- however- it's an exrecise in futility because once you learn the truth about the truth you cannot undo what you heard.
so some may just go back and live a fake jw life to appease family- but just think of how that can damage a person's emotional and mental health playing the fake jw game the rest of their lives !
Flipper,
Yes I am into Jesus, God and Holy Spirit. But I am not into any religions.
In fact Jesus hates religion as He rightly condemned "religious people" for being nice outwardly and rotten from the inside.
You belive in your self? Very good. How long man can stay mucho or hero? until he is 50 year old? maybe 80? (i doubt). What if you get sick, or car accident?? Who are you going to trust and rely up on? What is going to happend to you when you die? If you belive in yoursef only, oblivion?? Not a pretty picture. is it?
thank you,
Maximus
i was just thinking about how humans being imperfect and satan's influence was the root of everything bad that anyone has ever done.
well i know that apparently everyone is vulnerable which got me thinking about what "bad" things people have done while they were a jw.
i'll start it off.
Duvan,
we have something in common, for i mentioned in my previous post i was just like you now for many many years.
Bible clearly says No one is looking for God, not even one. However God is looking for us, for lost sheep. And Jesus Christ is the Good Shepperd!
Let me tell you what it is to live under communism regime. It is when Government makes themselves "god". Only one media, one strait forward propaganda. Both of my parents were communists and I was raising up in atmosphere of pure materialism. And I certainly believed with my heart in evolution and materialism. When I was in young school age, I recall my debates with grandma (who I think believed in God). She was teasing me by asking "so you believe that you came from the monkey?" and without doubt I would tell her of cause. And she would laugh. Living for 25 years under Soviet Union regime, my philosophical point of view were pretty much developed. However i always had dreaming kind of curiosity about time and space and universe. And very often had conversations with my dad about it. Interestingly enough he would tell me about possibility of aliens involvement. Like they would bring "stamp" (kind of like DNA) to our planet to start life. I would not be completely satisfy with those answers. I think all of us ask our self most important questions like how this universe came to existence, why am i here, how do I know how to live life here, what is going to happen when i die. Those questions would pop up in my mind from time to time.
I came to United States in 1994. It was quiet shocking experience. New country, totally different language (i could not speak at all). From time to time, i would hear things from people I could not hear in my old country. About religion, God, Jesus. I would ignore it, or debate it back. One time I happened to be outside of my apartment watching my son playing, and an old Russian man who lived nearby approached me. He was talking about some passages from the bible. I did not take him seriously. Next time one of my co-workers was talking about Jesus Christ. I was arguing with him protecting my atheistic view. The other time, when I was delivering pizza to the customer (later I realized it was a Christian family), I received a very warm, unforgettable hospitality. The lady of the house took my hand and asked if they can pray for me. I did not understand what is going on, but somehow accepted her “strange” offer. The whole family gathered around me, her husband and few kids, as she was praying out loud. She kept holding my hand. During their prayer I felt something great inside of me, could not explain it.
After 9/11 occurred, my point of view was dramatically changed; I started to look for some answers. Some how I switched to conservative radio talk channel (until then always was liberal). It gave me some understanding what is going on in the world. Quiet often Jews and Christians were unfairly targeted by liberal media. One time I started to read Old Testament. Later I watched movie Passion of Christ. It seams like some invisible power was guiding me toward something I wanted to find out what. Soon, I switched all my car radio channels to Christian radio. One day, when I was driving and listening Christian channel, I realized how bad and miserable I am and how great and wonderful God is, that He sent His only Son to save me. I turned my car to small street, stopped there, repented and accepted Jesus Christ to my heart as my personal Savior. Next few days something wonderful was happening. My anger toward my kids was gone (in a past from time to time I used belt to discipline my kids, very often for no reason); some of sinful habits started disappear; jealousy, lust, desire to have money, selfishness. In all people I find God’s creatures and have great difficulties to hate them for anything. After Jesus came to my heart, I quickly found Church. I should admit it was my very first experience, as I have never been at any Churches before. That day something strange and powerfully wonderful happened to me after the service. As I approached help desk to register, I could not say a word. It was a sudden cry. I have never cry so strong in my life. And it was cry of great joy and a little sadness. Joy of realization of God’s love for me and sadness that so many people (including my relatives) are still not saved. If you do not aware, in Soviet Union males in particular get raised to not cry. You get told " you are the man, you ought not to cry". I tell you, since God changed my life, in very short period of time (compare to time before knowing God) i have been crying "million" times.
Bible says: For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Thank you!
i've talked with some good friends on the board about this before and we seem to be in agreement : one reason ( among many ) that some disfellowshipped jw's go back and return to the wt organization is because they are full of uneeded guilt or uneeded fear because they haven't educated themselves about how the wt society uses mind control tactics to deceive them into thinking they have " nowhere else to go " .
i understand that some dfed ones may go back to the organization for family and friends- however- it's an exrecise in futility because once you learn the truth about the truth you cannot undo what you heard.
so some may just go back and live a fake jw life to appease family- but just think of how that can damage a person's emotional and mental health playing the fake jw game the rest of their lives !
Thank your for your posts flipper.
The problem with jw like with all other major and minor religiouns how they tream Jesus Christ.
I would not want to put my trust in the archangel michael for my iternal salvation. Others treat Him as good prophet, avatar, guru.
But this is not who Jesus Christ is. Beliving in trinity should not be a problem, when you start understanging nature of God Almighty.
We humans live in 3d dimentional world, but even we have body, soul, spirit. God has no dimentions.
Think about how would you look like in 4d, 5d?? How about 25d world??? mind blowing. I see no problem to accept God as one in Nature/Form/Essence and three in Person - Father/Son/Holy Spirit.
lol. Even wt could not alter phillipians 5 for the nature of Jesus Christ. But why trust wt, let us trust Holy Spirit instead.
thank you all!
Love you no matter what and want you to be save and have eternal life.
i was just thinking about how humans being imperfect and satan's influence was the root of everything bad that anyone has ever done.
well i know that apparently everyone is vulnerable which got me thinking about what "bad" things people have done while they were a jw.
i'll start it off.
Thank you for email DuvanMuvan,
I was rased by communists of Soviet Union and for 36 years of my life was pretty much atheist.
God brought me to USA and saved me there. Jesus Christ said I am the Way the Truth and the Life.
So I am on Jesus team. Are you?
I checked on many religions, including jw. and could not find satisfaction and peace that only Prince of Peace can give. Interesting all religious accept Jesus Christ, however at the same time do not know Him. For some He is only the prophen, for other Guru, yet for others Archangel Michael, for others Avatar.
It is wrong Jesus religions belive in and that is tragegy.
thank you my friend.
i was just thinking about how humans being imperfect and satan's influence was the root of everything bad that anyone has ever done.
well i know that apparently everyone is vulnerable which got me thinking about what "bad" things people have done while they were a jw.
i'll start it off.
Good morning,
For sure. Since Adam and Eve downfall, sin entered the world and entire universe with its inhabitans got corrupted.
Sin separated us from Jehovah. For wages of SIN is death.
How can mortal sinful man approach Pure and Holy God. Who can be a sicrifice for us? Who is good enough?
Only God Almighty!!! Only He can take our sins away. So He sends His only begotten Son - Jesus Christ to be sin for us.
God became flesh in order to fulfill everything we mortals would never do. Jesus had no sin, lived perfect life an died in our place on the cross, bearing our sins, being punished for us by the Father. But behold Jesus rosed from the grave, validating his Divine nature and Authority.
He provided the way for us to be saved. Only through Jesus Christ, we can be saved, there is no other ways. For Son and the Father are ONE. And no one can come to the Father, but through Son!!!
Repent and put your trust in Jesus Christ!!!
Thank you!!
