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  Is ignorance an excuse?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have always maintained that i hold nothing personally against individual witnesses, even those that have actively slandered our name and reputation based on the actions of some individuals.. i have often said that all these ones, (even the ones spreading gossip), are victims of the culture of the organization, and the directions of the gb.. but recently i have been rethinking this, and wonder if ignorance is really an acceptable excuse?.

  i mean, with so much information now readily available about the society, its origins, its scandals, issues and conduct, is it simply ok for a witness to remain wilfully ignorant about the organization that dictates every aspect of their lives?.

  is ignorance an excuse?.

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  stuckinarut2

  I have always maintained that I hold nothing personally against individual witnesses, even those that have actively slandered our name and reputation based on the actions of some individuals.

  I have often said that all these ones, (even the ones spreading gossip), are victims of the culture of the organization, and the directions of the GB.

  But recently I have been rethinking this, and wonder if ignorance is really an acceptable excuse?

  I mean, with SO MUCH information now readily available about the society, its origins, its scandals, issues and conduct, is it simply ok for a witness to remain wilfully ignorant about the organization that dictates EVERY aspect of their lives?

  Is ignorance an excuse?
  
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  Propaganda video from the society. How are your donations used?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  oh wow....how manipulative, especially for young ones.. first prize goes to whoever can state the one aspect of society expenditure that this video fails to mention!.

  https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/pub-jwbrd_201505_1_video.

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  Yep, it is just so easy for the society to say that donations go "to the worldwide work"....but what ACTUALLY is that??

  Where is the profit and loss report, or the annual financial report? ALL reputable organizations issue one of those....
  
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  More propaganda aimed at children! Visit Bethel!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arrrghhh...... so much that can be said..... https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/pub-jwbrd_201604_1_video.

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  Yes, while the org has Caleb and Sophia, the Mormons have Matt and Mandy

  https://www.lds.org/children/videos-music/matt-mandy?lang=eng
  
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  Propaganda video from the society. How are your donations used?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  oh wow....how manipulative, especially for young ones.. first prize goes to whoever can state the one aspect of society expenditure that this video fails to mention!.

  https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/pub-jwbrd_201505_1_video.

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  Oh wow....how manipulative, especially for young ones.

  First prize goes to whoever can state the one aspect of society expenditure that this video fails to mention!

  https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODOurOrganization/pub-jwbrd_201505_1_VIDEO
  
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  More propaganda aimed at children! Visit Bethel!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arrrghhh...... so much that can be said..... https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/pub-jwbrd_201604_1_video.

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  Really quite similar to the way Mormons build excitement for their children!

  https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/images/magazines/friend/2015/07/july-2015-friend-magazine-mormon_1479613_prt.pdf

  http://media.ldscdn.org/pdf/lds-magazines/liahona-june-2012/2012-06-24-our-page-eng.pdf

  https://www.lds.org/bc/content/ldsorg/children/resources/topics/temples/JulianasFirstTempleTrip.pdf
  
  
  
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  More propaganda aimed at children! Visit Bethel!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arrrghhh...... so much that can be said..... https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/pub-jwbrd_201604_1_video.

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  Arrrghhh.....

  So much that can be said....

  https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/VODOurOrganization/pub-jwbrd_201604_1_VIDEO
  
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  If "the Truth" is the truth, why are witnesses so scared of research?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is an often asked question i know, but it perplexes me.. if witnesses are so convinced that they have "the truth", why is the act of researching information from external sources so taboo?

  didn't the bible itself tell people to "use their powers of reason" and also praised ones like the boreans for researching things they were told??.

  seriously, if there is no doubt about the organization being "god's channel" on earth, and it alone having the "truth", surely researching would only enhance such 'facts'?.

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  Yes, truth is truth no matter who presents it.

  Even CT Russel said "truth remains truth no matter who presents it. Even if the devil himself presented something of truth, it would still be truth" (words to that effect)
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  Are There Many JWs That Have Actually Left?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems that most people who have been witnesses that i've known in the last 20 years are still jws.

  they may not be as zealous as before but they still remain as jehovah's witnesses.

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  The only real growth in numbers comes from born ins.

  Really, honestly, how often do we learn of a person coming in as a result of the witnessing work?? Very rarely....and those that do are generally 'disfunctional' members of the community, not average well adjusted people. Perhaps people in "need" of a sense of belonging, or some emotional reason.

  So that's why the organisation encourages children to be born now, and nurtures such ones with the propaganda videos....
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  River flowing from the garden of Eden

  by joey jojo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey there.. if this point has been covered before please forgive me.. i have had the principles of noahs flood used by jw's to encourage me to attend meetings recently and this has got me musing about the flood....again.. genesis states that a river flowed from eden and branched out into four rivers, two of which being the tigris and the euphrates.. heres the baffling part; if it had never rained before, how is it that rivers existed before the flood?!!?.

  a brief google search tells us that the euphrates begins its journey as snow melt and rain ( as most rivers do) in mountains in turkey.. ecc chapter 1 mentions the water cycle and describes the rivers flowing into the sea but the sea not becoming full.

  how did it work pre-flood?

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  Great thread.

  Yes, simply applying just a small amount of logical analytical thought completely destroys any "global flood" teaching.
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  Scriptures that now have such a different meaning?!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it struck me that so many of the scriptures that the society uses to condemn others, can actually apply to them!.

  when we read them without the application that the society enforces, they can make you have that "ah-ha!

  " moment.... for instance, how about:.

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  stuckinarut2

  Wow! Great replies everyone!

  Im glad to see that I am not the only one who can see this.

  Keep them coming!