it seems that most people who have been witnesses that i've known in the last 20 years are still jws.
they may not be as zealous as before but they still remain as jehovah's witnesses.
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The only real growth in numbers comes from born ins.
Really, honestly, how often do we learn of a person coming in as a result of the witnessing work?? Very rarely....and those that do are generally 'disfunctional' members of the community, not average well adjusted people. Perhaps people in "need" of a sense of belonging, or some emotional reason.
So that's why the organisation encourages children to be born now, and nurtures such ones with the propaganda videos....
hey there.. if this point has been covered before please forgive me.. i have had the principles of noahs flood used by jw's to encourage me to attend meetings recently and this has got me musing about the flood....again.. genesis states that a river flowed from eden and branched out into four rivers, two of which being the tigris and the euphrates.. heres the baffling part; if it had never rained before, how is it that rivers existed before the flood?!!?.
a brief google search tells us that the euphrates begins its journey as snow melt and rain ( as most rivers do) in mountains in turkey.. ecc chapter 1 mentions the water cycle and describes the rivers flowing into the sea but the sea not becoming full.
how did it work pre-flood?
Great thread.
Yes, simply applying just a small amount of logical analytical thought completely destroys any "global flood" teaching.
it struck me that so many of the scriptures that the society uses to condemn others, can actually apply to them!.
when we read them without the application that the society enforces, they can make you have that "ah-ha!
" moment.... for instance, how about:.
Wow! Great replies everyone!
Im glad to see that I am not the only one who can see this.
Keep them coming!
it struck me that so many of the scriptures that the society uses to condemn others, can actually apply to them!.
when we read them without the application that the society enforces, they can make you have that "ah-ha!
" moment.... for instance, how about:.
It struck me that so many of the scriptures that the society uses to condemn others, can actually apply to them!
When we read them without the application that the society enforces, they can make you have that "ah-ha!" moment...
For instance, how about:
Revelation 18:4,5 Get out of her my people if you do not want to share in her plagues. For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and god has called her acts of injustice to mind. Repay her double for all she has done...."
Or
Matthew 23: All of it! "Woe to you scribes and Pharisees....."
When we appply logic and allow those verses to speak for themselves, they can apply so well to the society!
Please feel free to add any others that come to mind!
i'll start: stilton cheese.. (it was a toss up between that and sweet pickled beetroot).. thank you folks..
Eye fillet steak ...
Oh, but hang on, we wont be eating meat in the "new world" now will we....
well new to me anyway, i'm sure someone smarter than me has thought of this before.
the next time i get asked the perennial (and tired old) question: “but you do believe that the gb are god’s channel of communication, the organisation he is using, don’t you?” or some variation thereof, i am going to reply with two verses and reason as follows:.
the matter to be established: have the gb of jehovah’s witnesses received divine appointment to act as god’s representatives and channel of communication on earth?.
Great thread!
(oh and don't worry Unstuck, you can apply for re-instatement again....and then we can try that question once more...)
it's funny as i reflect back on my days as a witness during the watchtower study.
it seems like no matter what the question asked.
it was like parrots squawking back exactly what they had just heard with absolutely no thought or even the slightest expression of free will.
Yes, great thread.
There is NO tolerance of any 'extra' information being presented during a WT study. If someone does research and tries to present it, that one is made to feel awkward.
The only acceptable answer is a repeated comment (in "your own words") of the same stuff that was just read out!
When we really think about it, it is a huge waste of time! It could be read at home!
BUT the beauty of it is the "group bias" that it creates, as witnesses see and hear a large number of people around them "agree" with the presented information...thus making it seem more valid
even thinking about born-ins here.
at what stage of your 'bible teaching' were you taught about the practice of disfellowshipping?.
reading john cedars book and the section about when the more crazy shit gets introduced to you is very telling.
Well said Joe and steve2!
Yes, the org has masterfully and manipulatively made it seem that only "WICKED SINNERS" would ever require DFing.
The facts are that many, if not most leave because they simply wake up to the TRUTH about the society.
They don't become evil sinners at all
just want to say hello.. trying to master my new tablet given to me by my grandson.. yeah, i am bragging.. lol.. sylvia.
Welcome back!
being in "the truth" forever, i keep (frustratingly) finding myself humming kingdom songs unintentionally.
it frustrates me when i find myself doing it!.
so today i got this song in my head, and couldn't get it unstuck, so i decided to write alternate lyrics to it... when i get that tune in my head now, i'll have words that work!
Bumped for a new "overlapping generation" of forum members!
