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  Let's talk about Blood again....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.

  something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.

  an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?

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  Great replies!!
  

  Keep them coming
  
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  Philosophical implications of Genetic 1:26 and the personality of the Judeo-Christian God.

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while visiting a still in friend last week we had an interesting discussion on narcissism.

  he made a very interesting comment that got me thinking about the above.

  we were discussing the nature of celebrity and fame and he mentioned that he would find it very difficult to cope with constant adulation and praise.

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  Sorry Venus, but what you propose goes against the content of the bible itself and its claims to be God's channel of communication.

  Also, Christian faiths maintain that the bible is the textbook of god.

  So by ignoring the messages of the bible, and its description of God, then we are left to conclude that the bible is purely the fallible word of man?
  
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  Let's talk about Blood again....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, i wanted to start this thread.. the society likes to go on about the sacredness of blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.. they liken it to a symbol of life itself.

  something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.. but, what is more important: real life, or a symbol of life?.

  an illustration came to mind.. if we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the love itself?

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  stuckinarut2

  I know we have all talked about this topic before, but for some new ones on the forum, or to refresh ourselves, I wanted to start this thread.

  The Society likes to go on about the Sacredness of Blood, and how it should not be transfused etc.

  They liken it to a symbol of life itself. Something that should be respected and therefore not transfused.

  BUT, what is more important: REAL life, or a Symbol of life?
  

  An illustration came to mind.

  If we give a bunch of flowers to a loved one as a symbol of our love for them, are those flowers more important than the LOVE itself? Is it not better to actually demonstrate our love by our conduct? Simply giving flowers doesn't make up for displaying real love to that one.

  So too with taking in blood. If the REAL life is at risk of being lost, and blood can be used to save that REAL life, is that not the right thing to do? Saying that "blood is a symbol of life, and therefore should be respected and not transfused" is a cop-out, because here we have a REAL life in front of us that can be actually saved!

  Thoughts?
  
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  Philosophical implications of Genetic 1:26 and the personality of the Judeo-Christian God.

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while visiting a still in friend last week we had an interesting discussion on narcissism.

  he made a very interesting comment that got me thinking about the above.

  we were discussing the nature of celebrity and fame and he mentioned that he would find it very difficult to cope with constant adulation and praise.

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  It also has to be asked of believers, if a human STOPS giving God praise, what is the eventual predicted outcome for that human?

  Is it not destruction? Yes, those who do not give God praise, will be destroyed by God right??

  So, that implies that an insecure being, who constantly demands praise in a narcissistic manner, is also a bully who will kill all who fail to render him such praise?
  
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  Philosophical implications of Genetic 1:26 and the personality of the Judeo-Christian God.

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while visiting a still in friend last week we had an interesting discussion on narcissism.

  he made a very interesting comment that got me thinking about the above.

  we were discussing the nature of celebrity and fame and he mentioned that he would find it very difficult to cope with constant adulation and praise.

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  Great reasoning Doubtful1799.

  If we take the bible as it is claimed to be - Gods letter of communication to humans, then it CLEARLY shows that Jehovah / Yaweh / God not only enjoys, but DEMANDS constant worship!

  In fact, as Revelation shows, the 24 Elders give him "praise day and night", and bow before him, singing "You are worthy to receive the praise etc..."

  So, that DOES seem to indicate that God has either created, or allowed beings to exist for the main reason to give him praise constantly.

  IF a human demanded constant praise, we would rightly question that one's mental state. We would indeed class him as a narcissist.

  This is CLEARLY outlined in the Bible - God's own letter (as worshippers claim it to be)
  
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  Do You Think Jehovah's Witnesses Are Typically Ignorant People?

  by minimus in

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  i think most witnesses are simple minded.many are ignorant.

  there are a lot of basically "good people "in the religion but i believe many are kind of dumb, including many elders.

  do you agree with my thoughts??

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  Ignorant? Stupid? Yes.

  Anyone who is so convinced of "the Truth", yet has not ever looked outside of their bubble of "truth" is wilfully choosing to remain ignorant.

  AND, JW's have an arrogance as well. They are so PROUD of being the ONLY one's with "the truth".

  In contrast, a genuinely smart person recognises that WE DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING, and that we can learn much from doing extensive research.
  
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  JWs MUST Accept The Watchtower Teachings EVEN When They Are Wrong!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  isn't it unbelievable that a jehovah's witness must accept whatever the organization says or they can be disfellowshipped??

  unless they tell you that their understanding has changed, you cannot believe anything unless they say it's ok. .

  many years ago i questioned them about their ridiculous view that whenever the word "heart" was mentioned, it was a literal blood filled organ.

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  As Deborah Francis White said in her great stand up comedy routine "Saving Brother Ryan":

  "NEW LIGHT. - If you cant change what you say, change what, what you say means!"
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  JWs MUST Accept The Watchtower Teachings EVEN When They Are Wrong!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  isn't it unbelievable that a jehovah's witness must accept whatever the organization says or they can be disfellowshipped??

  unless they tell you that their understanding has changed, you cannot believe anything unless they say it's ok. .

  many years ago i questioned them about their ridiculous view that whenever the word "heart" was mentioned, it was a literal blood filled organ.

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  Yes, it really is simple:

  IF Jehovah directs the GB, and the GB get things wrong, then does that mean that Jehovah was having a bad day when he told them those things? Was he feeling unwell when he gave them that "truth"?

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  Does it simply mean that Jehovah DELIBERATLY gives 'false truth'?

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  Does it mean that there is NO direction of the GB from an almighty Jehovah at all?
  
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  1 hour 14 minute ph call from coordinator last night ?

  by Chook in

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  2. experiences

  i didn't recognise his number , cordial talk for 2 minutes then what can i say , the chook rose to the occasion.

  i will relay main points but the order is not necessarily correct.

  he wants to visit with an other elder ( i live in two states 2/3 of time in a new house in their territory, but they don't know address yet ).

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  Yes James! I have! I told them that "if my name and reputation is maligned in the local area, I will avail myself of the legal means at my disposal"

  And they just ignored the threat, and said "Are you threatening us?"

  I replied "I am just reminding you of appropriate boundaries"

  So we were NOT DF. BUT they DID spread all number of stories far and wide about us....

  Anyway Chook! Well done. It feels good to stand your ground!

  But, sadly, all that elder heard will take from the conversation, is that you were "not humble" and that you were "proudly and defiantly standing up before the appointed one of Jehovah...and that Satan has influenced your heart"
  
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  So you've successfully faded

  by ctrwtf in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i'm pretty sure my fade is complete.

  haven't stepped foot inside a kh in 9 years.

  but the concept of fading still makes me wonder.

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  stuckinarut2

  The concept of "sin" is just another form of control.

  Once we let go of the FOG (Fear Obligation Guilt), life is much clearer, and happier. And NO, that doesn't mean we live a life of reckless abandon. It simply means we live according to a normal moral compass, rather than a prescribed, enforced one from high-control cult leaders!