I define "miracle" as an event which occurs in opposition or defiance of natural laws. I have never observed any occurance of any event taking place not in accord with natural laws.
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How do you define "miracle"? Have you ever witnessed one?
by gaiagirl ini define "miracle" as an event which occurs in opposition or defiance of natural laws.
i have never observed any occurance of any event taking place not in accord with natural laws.
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How do JW's explain the Pyramids?
by LouBelle ini've honestly forgotten what kind of a response they would have to something like that: ie how did they build the pyramids?
& when.. ** the when part would have been within 6-7000 years ago, considering they believe man has only been around that long.. ** how?
they were closer to perfection and therefore it is reasonable to believe that they could devise ways that we can't today?.
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I actually had a conversation about this with a JW at work recently. When he said "Humans have only lived on Earth for 6000 years", I asked him when he thought the Flood had taken place, and he replied "Around 4200 years ago".
So I then asked him to explain why kingdoms which existed in Egypt, Sumeria, India, and China (to name a few) didn't appear to have noticed a global Flood, but went on with business as usual, building temples and pyramids, some of which still exist to this day.
His answer was kind of evasive..."Uhmm, I may have my dates wrong". Truer words were never spoken.
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Isn't a block of wood a better President then Geoge Bush???
by Witness 007 inpeople complain about obama.
even on the news here tonight we had some dumb ass americans saying he's a soviet revolutionary oooh a muslim or his name doesn't sound american" .
and please don't hurt him..
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gaiagirl
I believe that George W Bush has damaged the credibility and reputation of the United States, and that many, many voters will not vote for the next Republican candidate because he is viewed as too "similar" to George W Bush.
What voters are looking for is the candidate who is "the least similar" to Bush.
We will see for certain in five days.
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WTBTS view on activities in Second Life?
by gaiagirl inmany on this board may participate in the online computer game/visual chat-room simulation known as second life, in which you control an avatar which represents yourself, and intereact in real time with other avatars, which are also controlled by actual people.. what is the wtbts view on activities in second life?
do they have any presence in any "official" capacity in second life?.
if a jw sends their avatar to a club, and causes their avatar to become "intoxicated", will the person behind that avatar be called before a judicial committee?
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Many on this board may participate in the online computer game/visual chat-room simulation known as Second Life, in which you control an avatar which represents yourself, and intereact in real time with other avatars, which are also controlled by actual people.
What is the WTBTS view on activities in Second Life? Do they have any presence in any "official" capacity in Second Life?
If a JW sends their avatar to a club, and causes their avatar to become "intoxicated", will the person behind that avatar be called before a judicial committee? Or if a JWs avatar participates in a "virtual" sexual act, would this be of interest to the elders?
Or, does what happens in Second Life, stay in Second Life?
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Crazy Kansas "Christians" plan to picket Tennessee High School
by gaiagirl in</form> thursday october 30, 2008 7:00 am home contact us classifieds myvlt2 voltv2go volzeye desktop alerteast tn churches react to news of scott co. protest planssaveemailprint.
posted: 10:08 pm oct 29, 2008. last updated: 4:28 am oct 30, 2008. reporter: heather haley.
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</form> Thursday October 30, 2008 7:00 AM Home · Contact Us · Classifieds · MyVLT2 · VolTV2Go · Volzeye · Desktop Alert East TN churches react to news of Scott Co. protest plans SaveEmailPrintPosted: 10:08 PM Oct 29, 2008 Last Updated: 4:28 AM Oct 30, 2008 Reporter: Heather Haley
Email Address: [email protected]5 comments East TN Churches React to News of Scott Co. Protest PlansA | A | A KNOXVILLE, Tenn (WVLT) -- As a community continues to mourn the loss of 5 people plus an unborn child, an out-of-state group plans to picket.
A Kansas church, known for protesting funerals of U.S. soldiers says it's heading to Scott County to send a message.
Wednesday, the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas announced their plans to picket in Huntsville in the near future, but some local churches say they are bringing the wrong message with them.
Pastor Bill Shiell works at the First Baptist Church in downtown Knoxville.
From the message to the name, he does not agree with the group planning to protest in Scott County. Bill says "Just because someone says they're a Baptist Church does not make them a Baptist or a Church."
The group from Kansas announced their intentions to picket in Tennessee, with a release that states "God hates Tennessee" across the top.
"In Tennessee you call yourselves God fearing but you don't bother to take the bible off the shelf and read the words," says Westboro member Shirley Phelps-Roper.
We spoke with Shirley over the phone, who says they will picket at Scott County High School, to speak directly to the youth. She says, "We'll get them all, because when we get the children, don't you worry we'll get the parents and we'll get everyone else in that community."
Pastor Chris Buice at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville says "Nobody knows exactly what those families are going through. It's just a lot of pain and to have this type of publicity stunt on top, is just unnecessary cruelty."
Chris is proud their motto is completely opposite of those with Westboro group. He says "we welcome all people here, red, yellow, black, white, gay straight, we welcome everybody. We love everybody to the best of our human ability."
When we told church member Gordon Gibson about the group's plan to picket in Huntsville, shock was all the retired minister could express. "I wish they'd go home and study what their faith should be, we don't need them here," says Gordon.
Bill Shiell says "I can think of no more obscene or heinous act, short of a crime itself, than to go and impose your own views of the world on somebody else's moment of grief."
The Westboro representative we spoke with says this picket is quote their "service to the Lord."
They said they will be in Scott County late next week. They initially had planned to protest the funerals this week, but, again, now they plan to picket at the High School.
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</form>First Name: Location: Enter Comments: characters left Email (optional): Read Comments Comments are posted from viewers like you and do not always reflect the views of this station. Posted by: Tammy Location: Scott co. on Oct 30, 2008 at 01:41 AM
These people must have a different version of the Bible than I have. How can they claim to be a Baptist Church, it sounds like a cult of crazies to me. Every-one here we are saddened by this tragedy, and are surrounding these families with love and prayers, this is what God is pleased with, not hatred. These protestors are not welcome to this County, but if they choose to come, they will have a fight on their hands, we love each other, and take care of each other in difficult times.The God I serve is a loving God, not one full of hate. I will pray for the protestors in hopes they will find peace and love in their hearts.
Posted by: FOR YOUR INFO Location: ONEIDA on Oct 30, 2008 at 01:40 AM
Straight from their website schedule of pickets thay have HUNTSVILLE TN listed to picket on 11-07-08 from 245p-330p.I feel sorry for them if they show up!!Lets keep a watch on this and if they decide to show up, lets have all the "VOLUNTEERS" we have here show up in force and send them back to Kansas with their tails tucked.
Posted by: BAABA Location: KNOXVILLE on Oct 30, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Not the best place or timing to do a protest. No one has ever accused this church of being a brain trust.
Posted by: Anonymous Location: Scott County, TN on Oct 29, 2008 at 11:59 PM
Let 'em come. They have no idea who they are dealing with when they come to Scott County. This town has got some rough people in it and we are all sticking together during this tragedy. There may still yet be more deaths out of this thing.
Posted by: Johnny Location: Maryville on Oct 29, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Do these nuts in Kansas realize if they go to Scott County to protest the deaths of these girls they will be able to ask God personally what he thinks about it.Desktop Alert VolTV2Go.com Add Us E-Alerts Text Message Contact Us Twitter VolunteerTV.com Most Discussed Remembering those killed in Scott County crash 143 Comments Controversial church plans to picket in Scott Co. after deadly crash 92 Comments UPDATE: Five, unborn child killed in Scott County crash 34 Comments Funeral arrangements for Jeweline L. King 12 Comments Will race be a factor in the presidential election? 8 Comments Gun shops see jump in sales ahead of presidential election 8 Comments Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - EEO Statement - FCC Form 388
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Could a religion form around the life and teachings of Ghandi?
by gaiagirl inghandi lived a life which many would view as exemplary, and is revered even now as a model humanitarian.
could the stories associated with his life expand over the next several centuries so that a religion based on his life and example would be created?
would future generations tell stories about miracles which he performed, stories which we don't tell because the stories haven't yet been created?
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Ghandi lived a life which many would view as exemplary, and is revered even now as a model humanitarian. Could the stories associated with his life expand over the next several centuries so that a religion based on his life and example would be created? Would future generations tell stories about miracles which he performed, stories which we don't tell because the stories haven't yet been created?
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Born Agains:- What do you beileve?
by LouBelle inthere was a post on here about been being a born again christian.
i must admit i don't know all the ins & outs of being one, but i did pop into a church and did a stint for 3 months before i left as their doctrine become clearer to me - i couldn't stay.. i'm not sure if these beliefs are held all around the earth by bas so clarification would be welcome:.
1. paying tithe: i was told by the leaders of the church that this is a mandate from god/the bible and it plays a key roll in doing the will of the lord.. 2. once saved...always saved & a constant laying your sins at the foot of the cross.. 3. the belief in the rapture.
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"These are the same guards whom the Jewish religious leaders bribed and promised to handle their superiors in order to facilitate their cover-up of the resurrection."
You just answered your own questions. Guards can be bribed, and no doubt were. Paid sufficiently, they may have even HELPED roll the stone away. So no matter how much noise it might make, it wouldnt really matter, would it?
Referring to the details of the gospels accounts as "facts" is rather a stretch. While there could have been eyewitnesses alive at the time of the writing of the gospels, whether or not they would be able to overturn a story which everyone wanted to believe is another matter. For that matter, whether they would resist adding to the stories themselves is also a salient point. Out of an original group of people who might have claimed to see the risen Jesus, 20, 40, 60 years later who could confirm or deny if someone 500 miles away claimed that they also had been present. Can YOU positively confirm events from you own childhood, relying ONLY on word of mouth, and with no photographic or printed evidence?Or, if you choose to accept the gospels, then why not also accept the accounts, written years after the events themselves, concerning Indiana Jones? There is a LOT more evidence in favor of a historical Indiana Jones than there is in favor of a historical, miracle producing Jesus. Many books have been written detailing his life. Four movies (shall we call them gospels?) detailing various episodes of his adult life, as well as a popular television series detailing his earlier years.
In 178, the writer Celsus wrote about early Christians, and how, even in his day, Christians were editing the bible, much as JWs have done in more recent times."Some of them, as it were in a drunken state producing self-induced visions, remodel their Gospel from its first written form, and reform it so that they may be able to refute the objections brought against it."
So, based on an eyewitness account, and in barely over 100 years after the earliest gospels had been written, the stories had already been changed from their original form in his day. What makes you think the stories Christians have today are more accurate than the ones available in Celsus day?
Bottom line is that people don't believe the Jesus stories because they conform to facts or to what is experienced in the real world. They believe the stories because the stories make them feel good about themselves. Ex-JWs who are now "born again" have simply exchanged one set of unrealistic "bedtime stories" for another.
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Law & order SVU HAMMERS Xtian scientists and AIDS deniers on tonights show.
by avishai ingreat episode, anyone else see it?
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I had a misguided friend who was a Christian Scientist who actually DIED because she would go to the doctor for a cold. It turned into pneumonia, and now she is very much missed. Didn't see the show, but hope it presents a very clear picture.
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Born Agains:- What do you beileve?
by LouBelle inthere was a post on here about been being a born again christian.
i must admit i don't know all the ins & outs of being one, but i did pop into a church and did a stint for 3 months before i left as their doctrine become clearer to me - i couldn't stay.. i'm not sure if these beliefs are held all around the earth by bas so clarification would be welcome:.
1. paying tithe: i was told by the leaders of the church that this is a mandate from god/the bible and it plays a key roll in doing the will of the lord.. 2. once saved...always saved & a constant laying your sins at the foot of the cross.. 3. the belief in the rapture.
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5) Christ is dead, just like Moses, Buddah, Mohammed, Ghandi, and other noteworthy men. He is recorded as saying (although this may have been added by a later writer) he would return WHILE those first Christians were still alive. We know this did not happen. Another carrot-on-a-stick.
Where's the body?
The body is in the ground, and decomposed after 2000 years. The gospel accounts were not written for decades after the events they purport to describe, so there would have been no way to even go back and check the facts.
Assuming the gospels are correct just because they say so is "argument by authority", and doesn't hold up.
Even IF the tomb was found empty, it does not logically follow that this means the body was taken to heaven. If someone comes home to find their car missing from the garage.....Does this mean God took it to heaven? Of course not. It more likely means that someone carted off the body. Jesus is often said to have done things "so the prophecy would be fulfilled". So why is it difficult to conceive that some of his followers might act similarly?
When faced with several possible explanations for a phenomenon, the simplest solution is usually correct. It is never necessary to invoke miracles.
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Wheel of Fortune - Satan's latest ploy
by sir82 inat the recent circuit assembly..... on saturday afternoon, there was a symposium on behavior modification "conquering the evil with the good".. along with the usual idiotic groundless assertions about the "dangers" of university education, new technology, internet porn, etc., there was this new and rather startling revelation of a subtle satanic snare that all should watch out for..... game shows!.
yes, directly in the society's outline, there was a specific and clear-cut point on the "dangers" of watching game shows on tv!
watching them could (paraphrase) "get you to thinking about how much money or prizes the contestant was winning, and then you're thinking 'boy, i'd sure like to have that new car / boat / dinette set', and that leads to materialism.".
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Are JW's any good at Jeopardy, anyway? With the emphasis on the least education allowed by law, I'd be surprised if many witnesses would find it interesting or, assuming they were a contestant, if they would be a competent player.
I recall a Mormon contestant from a couple of years ago who became a champion, breaking all kinds of records.
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East TN Churches React to News of Scott Co. Protest Plans
