DATA-DOG so how would they believe they would awaken in the presence of God? OR what did that mean?
sloppyjoe2
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Did they believe in Heaven?
by sloppyjoe2 inpsalms 17:14 rescue me with your hand, o jehovah, from men of this world,* whose share is in this life,+ those whom you fill with the good things you provide+ and who leave an inheritance to their many sons.
15 but as for me, in righteousness i will see your face; i am satisfied to awaken in your presence.
*+as a jw i was always under the impression that prior to jesus death, all those who died had an earthly hope of resurrection.
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Did they believe in Heaven?
by sloppyjoe2 inpsalms 17:14 rescue me with your hand, o jehovah, from men of this world,* whose share is in this life,+ those whom you fill with the good things you provide+ and who leave an inheritance to their many sons.
15 but as for me, in righteousness i will see your face; i am satisfied to awaken in your presence.
*+as a jw i was always under the impression that prior to jesus death, all those who died had an earthly hope of resurrection.
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sloppyjoe2
prologos, if it was a personal belief, wouldn't that bring into question the bible being inspired? If a writer puts in his personal opinions, where else did they put in their opinions? For the record I do not believe it is inspired, merely the what ifs posed to a JW. -
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Did they believe in Heaven?
by sloppyjoe2 inpsalms 17:14 rescue me with your hand, o jehovah, from men of this world,* whose share is in this life,+ those whom you fill with the good things you provide+ and who leave an inheritance to their many sons.
15 but as for me, in righteousness i will see your face; i am satisfied to awaken in your presence.
*+as a jw i was always under the impression that prior to jesus death, all those who died had an earthly hope of resurrection.
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Psalms 17:14 Rescue me with your hand, O Jehovah, From men of this world,* whose share is in this life,+ Those whom you fill with the good things you provide+ And who leave an inheritance to their many sons.15 But as for me, in righteousness I will see your face; I am satisfied to awaken in your presence.*+
As a JW I was always under the impression that prior to Jesus death, all those who died had an earthly hope of resurrection. While sitting at the meeting in boredom yesterday this scripture was read to promote not pursuing riches in this system. When I read verse 15 it gives me the impression that the belief was that once you die you would awaken in the presence of God, which I take as in heaven. Any thoughts on this or did I miss something? -
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the GB stole my idea
by user100 inso in the early 90's when i was about to get baptized the elder asked me a million questions and one of them was: .
who is the faithful and discreet slave?.
my answer:.
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sloppyjoe2
I had this argument with my mom 15 years ago. She swore up and down that all of the anointed would do research and send in articles. I told her it was only the GB, and I got the same apostate song and dance line. Today she has no recollection of ever having this conversation with me. -
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Lett briefly addresses the child abuse issues in new JW.org video
by Richard_I ini just read about this on the ex-jw subreddit.
link to the video (10m06s).. skip to 7:35 where he says: "another way we can contribute to the oneness - rejecting false stories that are designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.
as an example, think about the apostate-driven lies and 'dishonesties' that jehovah's organization is permissive toward pedophiles.
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sloppyjoe2
This video is why I said on a thread a few months ago that the organization is not going to get hurt or fall a part. Most JWs are clueless to the lawsuits. Lett saying this will not make them go search for what he is talking about. All it will do is when they do actually hear about it, remember what Lett said and dismiss it as apostate lies. They know what they're doing and it will work. -
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It's Over Johnny....The Demise of Jehovah's Witnesses
by ctrwtf ini think i've mentioned before that from time to time my commute on the bqe takes me past the old factory buildings and the soon to be former headquarters building.
i was struck the other day with how shabby they've become.
even 25 columbia heights, still currently occupied, its facade is filthy.
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sloppyjoe2
Sometimes I think ex JWs are the same as current JWs. Current ones take whatever evidence they can to prove the system is crashing. Exjws take whatever evidence they can to talk about how the org is on it's demise. It's not going anywhere! -
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crazy analogy question regarding Jesus' divinity [or lack of]
by TTWSYF ini heard a preist pose this question and i'll admit, it made me think.. if your neighbor had a dog and a monkey and his dog bite you.
would you accept an apology from the neighbors monkey?.
just asking.
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sloppyjoe2
A more fitting (and even more incomprehensible) analogy is: A man has a dog that craps on his lawn so he kills his son.
Don't forget to add, he kills his son to offer a sacrifice to himself.
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Whose KH has the Blue Square jw.org on it?
by blondie ini have been looking and finally saw the logo on the kh sign............. .
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sloppyjoe2
Ours put them up about a month ago
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After Six Months of Hiatus, I can tell you the Watchtower is Starting to Crumble Faster than you think!
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker ini took a hiatus from jwn because the wall started to collapse because i lost several people ive known almost my entire life.
these were people i thought would never die, the lies told by the watchtower is unforgivable!
there was a party i attended keeping a low profile while documenting what was said.
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@OneEyedJoe I understand what you are saying. But I think the only real impact financially would be if the Org loses at the US supreme court. They have free legal counsel for starters. They have taken many cases all the way up there and have won a considerable amount. At the same time they just took in a billion dollars in real estate sales all while still collecting funds. By the time they get to the point that there may be a financial blow it would not surprise me at all that they have money already set aside to pay out.
The only thing that would cause doubt in the minds of JWs is if the JW religion were shut down while all the rest were not. Other than that it is just persecution from Satan. I already discussed these cases with my JW mom who is an extreme JW. She cast it off and shrugged her shoulders and threw it under the imperfect men excuse. This is even telling her the problem is that the branch made the calls on how to handle it, not the elders. Belief is a powerful thing and many people just cannot let go.
The most brilliant thing I believe the org has done, is managing to convince JWs that the light gets brighter and in doing so they can change at will. Even with some unexpected court losses they can easily explain it as prophetic. They will deliver you up to councils, Matthew 10:17 comes to mind. When posts like these come up I often wonder if the OP is still attending and around JWs. I do and I am, and the ideas that are presented are no where close to what I see and experience.
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After Six Months of Hiatus, I can tell you the Watchtower is Starting to Crumble Faster than you think!
by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker ini took a hiatus from jwn because the wall started to collapse because i lost several people ive known almost my entire life.
these were people i thought would never die, the lies told by the watchtower is unforgivable!
there was a party i attended keeping a low profile while documenting what was said.
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sloppyjoe2
And to put into perspective the constant speculation of the organization's demise, here are some posts that have been made over the years.
2001
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/13054/1/WTS-predicts-its-own-demise-in-11-15-Watchtower
2003
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/59773/1/Could-Humor-help-the-WTBTS-Demise
2006
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/115456/1/The-WBTS-Accomplices-To-Its-Own-Demise
2010
2011
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/211776/1/WTBTS-DAYS-ARE-NUMBERED
This took me five minutes. There are many more out there and many more to come. I understand why people want the watchtower to end but as you can see for the last 13 years there are multiple reasons why it was going away and yet it's still here.