Posts by sloppyjoe2

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Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...

by Stumpy in

jw
friends

i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.

you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!

what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.

sloppyjoe2

Related to the UN issue, if I had known at the time it would be taken down I would have saved the link, but it used to show how each NGO was fulfilling their obligation to the UN on their web site. You could click a link for the WTBS and it took you to a link of an article about eleanore roosevelt. It had been submitted by the watchtower as a way to "promote" some type of NGO requirement and keep their membership. The article was in the awake. In the time period of when the Watchtower was an NGO member there are multiple articles that can be found related to the United Nations and activities they have participated in. None of the articles were condemning them as the disgusting thing or even prophetic in nature but merely reporting on their activities. Something they had to do to continue being an NGO member. They got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and immediately terminated their involvement.

It really is very simple as they were now apostates for their involvment. In 1979 they printed an article about just being a member of the YMCA. Here is what they said. In the January 1, 1979 Question from Readers:

"In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. He is not simply paying for something he receives, such as when buying things being sold to the public at a store. (Compare 1 Corinthians 8:10; 10:25.) Nor is his membership merely an entry pass, as when a person buys a theater ticket. Membership means that one has become an integral part of this organization founded with definite religious objectives, including the promotion of interfaith. Hence, for one of Jehovah’s Witnesses to become a member of such a so-called “Christian” association would amount to apostasy."

Clearly just being a member was enough to be considered apostasy whether you participated in interfaith activities or just swam in their pool. Does anyone actually think if you joined the YMCA, got caught, and just quit when you were caught it would have been "OK"? Of course not, you would have been disfellowshipped for apostasy. Yet when it comes to the organization, there is always a double standard.

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Article: Reveal News-California court guts child abuse ruling against Jehovah's Witnesses

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/.

california court guts child abuse ruling against jehovahs witnesses.

topics: religion / religion and government .

sloppyjoe2

anyone on any pro JW message boards to see their comments on this?

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Candice conti case appeal

by ashpman in

just got this email.

does anyone know what this means?.

disposition date (yyyy-mm-dd): 2015-04-13disposition description: affirmed/part, rev/part, remanded w/directiondisposition status as of 2015-04-13: final notes: the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.

sloppyjoe2

@afrikanman in my opinion it is only in the interest of the watchtower to take this higher. Candice has seen the payouts as well as the judgements whittle away from her favor as time goes on. In this case the watchtower has been held accountable but in a much lesser degree than originally ruled. If the watchtower wanted to try and reduce their payout to her, then it would be in their interest to appeal

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Article: Reveal News-California court guts child abuse ruling against Jehovah's Witnesses

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/.

california court guts child abuse ruling against jehovahs witnesses.

topics: religion / religion and government .

sloppyjoe2

@Heaven and that same statement validates their database as acceptable, which was one of the big arguments against them.

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Article: Reveal News-California court guts child abuse ruling against Jehovah's Witnesses

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/.

california court guts child abuse ruling against jehovahs witnesses.

topics: religion / religion and government .

sloppyjoe2

This will be viewed as a victory by almost all JWs. The court ruled that the only real problem was the supervision during field service. A jw will say that's a congregation problem and not an organization problem. Easily they will blame imperfect elders. Also this ruling more or less upholds their database as legal and keeping it a secret is ok.

I posted awhile ago that these lawsuits won't do much harm to the wtbs and I still think that. This case especially was going to bring them to their knees many thought. Don't be surprised when this very thing happens in the Lopez case.

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Biggest SCAM in the history of mankind - [except for Watchtower]

by Esse quam videri in

you may find this of interest.

how money and greed really work.. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x25210y_the-biggest-scam-in-the-history-of-mankind-hidden-secrets_tech.

sloppyjoe2

This all just plays into the conspiracy new world order believers. There is no other currency system to be had. These videos produced don't offer any way to change the system just what's wrong with it. Money is fake, everyone knows it but it's the only thing the world uses to buy and sell. There will be a future financial "collapse" because history shows that's what economies do. The evil bankers don't want a collapse anymore than the rest of us do.

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Recycled WTS beliefs

by Simon in

we all know the wts abandons and invents beliefs faster than apple can churn out new shiny stuff.

but have they ever abandoned a belief and later picked it up again?.

i remember many years ago we had one of those post-district-assembly review parts (part of the service meeting) where they were discussing some "new light".. there was some confusion about which was the "new" and which was the "old" and a semi-discussion ensued with people commenting.

sloppyjoe2

The generations doctrine. In 1997 they had a footnote that said this:

So the recent information in The Watchtower about "this generation" did not change our understanding of what occurred in 1914. But it did give us a clearer grasp of Jesus' use of the term "generation," helping us to see that his usage was no basis for calculating-counting from 1914-how close to the end we are." Watchtower 1997 Jun 1 p.28

The overlapping generations teaching is calculated again from 1914.

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WT addresses the "rapture" teaching.

by wifibandit in

look at paragraph 15 of the 2015 july 15th study edition pg 18-19.. http://imgur.com/3wparys.

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basically they admit to teaching the rapture (for the anointed remnant), just don't call it that!.

sloppyjoe2

They really could one day promote the trinity and call it something different and JWs would lap it up.

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Pregnant women refuses blood

by Giordano in

http://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jw-refusal-of-blood-transfusion-mother-and-baby-die#more-4001.

a 28-year-old woman and her unborn child have died because of the womans decision not to accept a lifesaving blood transfusion.. doctors at the royal hospital for women and prince of wales hospital in randwick, sydney, australia, have described the harrowing effect on hospital staff of two otherwise avoidable deaths.. the woman, a jehovahs witness, was seven months into her pregnancy when it was discovered she had leukaemia.. amy corderoy, health editor, reporting in the sydney morning herald states,.

more than 80% of pregnant women suffering from the cancer, called acute promyelocytic leukaemia, will go into remission with proper treatment, and the outlook for their babies is good.. .

sloppyjoe2

In the 4/15/2009 Watchtower Question from Readers They changed their stance on unborn children to that they don't know.

To summarize, then, the Bible clearly teaches that life begins at conception and that Jehovah sees the unborn child as a unique and valued individual. In the light of those Scriptural truths, some might see it as inconsistent to argue that there is no hope for a resurrection of an unborn child that dies. Indeed, they might feel that such an argument undermines our Scriptural stand against abortion, which is largely based on those very truths.
In the past, this journal has raised some practical questions that seem to cast doubt on the possibility of a resurrection for children who died before birth. For example, would God implant even a partially developed embryo in the womb of a woman in Paradise? However, further study and prayerful meditation has led the Governing Body to conclude that such considerations do not really have a bearing on the resurrection hope. Jesus said: “All things are possible with God.” (Mark 10:27) Jesus’ own experience demonstrated the truth of that statement; his life was transferred from heaven to the womb of a young virgin—surely an utter impossibility from a human standpoint.
Does all of this mean, then, that the Bible teaches that children who perish before birth will be resurrected? We must emphasize that the Bible does not directly answer that question, so there is no basis for humans to be dogmatic on the matter. This subject may give rise to an almost endless variety of questions. Really, though, it seems best to avoid speculation. What we know is this: The matter rests with Jehovah God, who is abundant in loving-kindness and mercy. (Ps. 86:15) Unquestionably, it is his heartfelt desire to undo death by means of the resurrection. (Job 14:14, 15) We can be confident that he always does what is right. He will provide healing for the many wounds inflicted upon us by life in this wicked system of things as he lovingly directs his Son to “break up the works of the Devil.”—1 John 3:8.

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Patient dies as JW paramedic refuses to administer blood product -- thanks, Religious Freedom Act!

by FatFreek 2005 in

(i realize this topic may have already been addressed so i apologize in advance.).

no, that's not a real headline but i suppose it could be one here in arkansas -- one of several states in the us that has a religious freedom law on their books.. as i understand it, if i, as a jw paramedic, am ordered to deliver a blood product to my patient, i can refuse to do so based on my religious freedom.

as a logical consequence, a patient could die.. would paramedic be an occupation be that one of jehovah's witnesses simply cannot accept, knowing fully well that you would be in a likely position to administer blood..

sloppyjoe2

4/15/1999 Question from readers footnote.

Some Christians working in hospitals have had to consider this factor of authority. A physician might have authority to order medications for or medical procedures on a patient. Even if a patient did not mind, how could a Christian doctor in authority order a blood transfusion or perform an abortion, knowing what the Bible says on such matters? In contrast, a nurse employed at the hospital might not have such authority. As she performs routine services, a doctor might direct her to perform a blood test for some purpose or to care for a patient who came for an abortion. In line with the example recorded at 2 Kings 5:17-19, she might conclude that since she is not the one with authority who orders a transfusion or performs an abortion, she could carry out human services for a patient. Of course, she still would have to consider her conscience, so as ‘to behave before God with a clear conscience.’—Acts 23:1.