cappytan, that's the same thing that is said every time something like this happens. Ban forks, ban cars. Why not bring something constructive to the discussion? If it were up to you, nothing would ever be done about it?
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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I am corrected, I was wrong about the automatic weapons, I need to fact check. I'm still 24 hours removed from looking into all of this. The hand guns being used I think supports banning guns altogether. -
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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JeffT that's why I personally support a total gun ban. Mass shootings are often by high powered automatic weapons, but more deaths are caused by hand guns amongst all occurances.
whether this is terrorism or not is in fact relevant. Since if that is the case, everyone will want to do something about it. But when Americans massively kill Americans with guns, no one cares. It's almost as if, as long as someone from another country isn't doing the killing, we won't worry about it. Events like these are terrorism in my opinion, whether they are Isis related or not. Even in this instance the perps were American citizens who at this point have reported to have bought at least one gun legally.
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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Adjusted knowledge I agree with a gun ban and know it would take many years to have full affect. Every mass shooting that takes place and nothing is done is just allowing it to go on longer. I personally don't own guns and yesterday morning had no real feelings on the matter. You could have put me in the I don't care and head in the sand category. But possibly watching it unfold and seeing the carnage live on television hit home with me. It really bothers me that after sandy hook that pro gun people really don't care about what's going on as long as they get to keep their guns. And if it's all guns or no guns, they pick all guns and accept more massive shootings as acceptable in order to keep their guns. I just don't get it. -
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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well at least that's a start. So while disagree with total gun control and saying it won't fix it, which I have said multiple times it won't stop it altogether, at least you did offer something. I didn't say I have the answer, I said I am offering a solution and repeatedly asked those who disagree with my solution to offer there own.
So I think you said we need to focus on what the cause of the people wanting to do this with perhaps some sort gun control. I take that to mean, focus on mentally ill perhaps? Out of curiosity what version of gun control do you suggest?
As a nation we can't just say guns are our right and ignore the problem. How many massive shootings would it take? Are endless mass shootings acceptible?
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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@adjusted knowledge you're only adding fuel to what I think should happen which is total gun reform in the U.S. I am well aware of the damage non assault rifles do. An assault rifle ban should be a no brainier already. But to be clear total gun banning would be my solution. I know so far everyone disagrees with me, but at least I'm trying to fix a terrible problem our country has. But now is your opportunity to say what your solution would be. -
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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I am still waiting for just some type of solution other than gun control. All the other side comments seem to be made in order to avoid this answer. -
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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little_socrates there's no way i would have chosen to engage an assault rifle with a hand gun. I just wouldn't do it, I would have ran like that guy did. I am just pointing out that the common notion is the way to solve this problem is arming more people. I would hope all concealed carry holders are very responsible, but this guy could have unloaded his whole gun on them and no one would have said anything, in fact they would have called him a hero. But lets not get away from the real question. Since you are against gun control, please offer some solutions to this. I have offered mine which has only been met with scoffing at the idea. I have yet to see those who are against gun control offer a solution. I am not dogmatic in the belief that I know best and my way is the best way. But so far it is the only way that has been offered to correct a problem. Please take your opportunity to offer a plan or solution. -
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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sloppyjoe2
The irony of having a gun to protect from others who own guns is there was a man interviewed by CNN who had a side arm with him. He said he chose to run instead of using his side arm. It did him no good and played no part in his own personal outcome. It also adds question to the idea that if there were people in there with guns they would have used them and stopped the incident. I have heard that asserted repeatedly over the years. It's only valid if a person is willing to put their life on the line and shoot back and hit the target. -
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Another mass shooting, three or four hours ago.
by James Mixon insan bernardino california.
up to 12 people have been killed.. the center a private non-profit agency that assists people with developmental.
disabilities.
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Finkelstein, that quote really just supports total gun banning. But this is america and we have to start somewhere. 20 kids killed in an elementary school didn't move america to do anything, I don't know what will.
But as I've asked before, I'm open to solutions to the problem. So far gun control is all that has been offered. I have heard many people say that that isn't the problem, but actually offer no solutions.