psalms 17:14 rescue me with your hand, o jehovah, from men of this world,* whose share is in this life,+ those whom you fill with the good things you provide+ and who leave an inheritance to their many sons.
15 but as for me, in righteousness i will see your face; i am satisfied to awaken in your presence.
*+as a jw i was always under the impression that prior to jesus death, all those who died had an earthly hope of resurrection.
I have found some ambiguous reference that it was david saying he would awaken in Jehovah's favor but another scripture I always wondered about was Psalms 90:10
The span of our life is 70 years,
Or 80+ if one is especially strong.*
But they are filled with trouble and sorrow;
They quickly pass by, and away we fly.+
Away we fly..fly where? Two references in psalms that sure seem to indicate heaven to me.
psalms 17:14 rescue me with your hand, o jehovah, from men of this world,* whose share is in this life,+ those whom you fill with the good things you provide+ and who leave an inheritance to their many sons.
15 but as for me, in righteousness i will see your face; i am satisfied to awaken in your presence.
*+as a jw i was always under the impression that prior to jesus death, all those who died had an earthly hope of resurrection.
psalms 17:14 rescue me with your hand, o jehovah, from men of this world,* whose share is in this life,+ those whom you fill with the good things you provide+ and who leave an inheritance to their many sons.
15 but as for me, in righteousness i will see your face; i am satisfied to awaken in your presence.
*+as a jw i was always under the impression that prior to jesus death, all those who died had an earthly hope of resurrection.
psalms 17:14 rescue me with your hand, o jehovah, from men of this world,* whose share is in this life,+ those whom you fill with the good things you provide+ and who leave an inheritance to their many sons.
15 but as for me, in righteousness i will see your face; i am satisfied to awaken in your presence.
*+as a jw i was always under the impression that prior to jesus death, all those who died had an earthly hope of resurrection.
As a JW I was always under the impression that prior to Jesus death, all those who died had an earthly hope of resurrection. While sitting at the meeting in boredom yesterday this scripture was read to promote not pursuing riches in this system. When I read verse 15 it gives me the impression that the belief was that once you die you would awaken in the presence of God, which I take as in heaven. Any thoughts on this or did I miss something?
so in the early 90's when i was about to get baptized the elder asked me a million questions and one of them was: .
who is the faithful and discreet slave?.
my answer:.
i just read about this on the ex-jw subreddit.
link to the video (10m06s).. skip to 7:35 where he says: "another way we can contribute to the oneness - rejecting false stories that are designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.
as an example, think about the apostate-driven lies and 'dishonesties' that jehovah's organization is permissive toward pedophiles.
i think i've mentioned before that from time to time my commute on the bqe takes me past the old factory buildings and the soon to be former headquarters building.
i was struck the other day with how shabby they've become.
even 25 columbia heights, still currently occupied, its facade is filthy.
i heard a preist pose this question and i'll admit, it made me think.. if your neighbor had a dog and a monkey and his dog bite you.
would you accept an apology from the neighbors monkey?.
just asking.
A more fitting (and even more incomprehensible) analogy is: A man has a dog that craps on his lawn so he kills his son.
Don't forget to add, he kills his son to offer a sacrifice to himself.
i have been looking and finally saw the logo on the kh sign............. .
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Ours put them up about a month ago
i took a hiatus from jwn because the wall started to collapse because i lost several people ive known almost my entire life.
these were people i thought would never die, the lies told by the watchtower is unforgivable!
there was a party i attended keeping a low profile while documenting what was said.
@OneEyedJoe I understand what you are saying. But I think the only real impact financially would be if the Org loses at the US supreme court. They have free legal counsel for starters. They have taken many cases all the way up there and have won a considerable amount. At the same time they just took in a billion dollars in real estate sales all while still collecting funds. By the time they get to the point that there may be a financial blow it would not surprise me at all that they have money already set aside to pay out.
The only thing that would cause doubt in the minds of JWs is if the JW religion were shut down while all the rest were not. Other than that it is just persecution from Satan. I already discussed these cases with my JW mom who is an extreme JW. She cast it off and shrugged her shoulders and threw it under the imperfect men excuse. This is even telling her the problem is that the branch made the calls on how to handle it, not the elders. Belief is a powerful thing and many people just cannot let go.
The most brilliant thing I believe the org has done, is managing to convince JWs that the light gets brighter and in doing so they can change at will. Even with some unexpected court losses they can easily explain it as prophetic. They will deliver you up to councils, Matthew 10:17 comes to mind. When posts like these come up I often wonder if the OP is still attending and around JWs. I do and I am, and the ideas that are presented are no where close to what I see and experience.
