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  I'm at a loss at how to get thru to my parents. I fear they will die before they will stop shunning me.

  by cognisonance in

  1. watchtower
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  all i want is this: for us to be a family, to spend time together enjoying life.

  i don't wish to debate about their beliefs when together.

  they can remain jws for all i care.

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  Stirred

  I am so sorry about all you are going through. It sounds like you are making chinks i their defense.   Do what you can to avoid regrets later on or they may haunt you the rest of your life. If you do what you can, you can always comfort yourself with the fact that you did your best.

  from their perspective, i can see where they may feel justified more in shunning you if you committed adultery and did not repent. You are clear of that now, but you are still dealing with fall out of being DF for it and not some lesser issue.  The CO and assembly parts make it clear how deranged all who leave and never come back must be in their hearts....diseased of sort that is like a virus.   No doubt the atheist stand has put them on alert.

  Perhaps softening your stance to at least agnostic.....unsure could help. If your stand is your are repentant for adultery and are really studying to be sure but feel uncomfortable with doctrinal changes and unbiblical policies, then you bring their initial line of defense down somewhat. They may be more open to contemplate how to help you and consider those issues more closely as well in effort to help you.

  
  

  just a thought. It sounds like they love you very much and are trying to be good JWs and follow "Jah's" direction so all will be "blessed and not blood guilty.  There is so much pressure these days....it is the statements from platform that really disturbed me enough to go looking on internet more.

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  NEW LIGHT FROM SLO CIRCUIT OVERSEER "Warning, Blood on Doorposts", "The Couple who Missed One Meeting Died With Their Kids, Don't Miss Any!

  by Trailer Park Pioneer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry, i messed up before i could put the right title on this new light from our circuit overseer, his visit show's a great desperation in the organization's mindset, adding more anxiety and guilt to jws who already feel they don't measure up!.

  hi, i attended the circuit overseers visit and got really angry because our c.o.

  gave information coming from the governing body's chief apologists regarding "meeting attendance" and "the couple who missed one meeting and lost their entire family because they did not get the "411" when armageddon was coming!

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  If I was at KH hearing this talk, I think I would gather my bag and kids and walk right out...while he was still speaking ....

  ugh!
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  Consequences of staying on the recommended Hotel list

  by Samaritan At the Well in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wanted to share an experience i had and see if anyone else had encountered this same matter.

  we always tried to make an extra effort to ensure we stood on the approved hotel lists when going to our special day conventions or district conventions or what they now call regional.

  we use to stay many nights a year and i would save up my hotel points to use at a later time.. i remember checking in at popular chain hotel and asked the hotel clerk how many points would i earn for the 3 night stay?

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  So interesting. Had no idea.  This year will be very different for me.
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  Separated from a loveless Marriage

  by PLAYGROUND in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i don't know where to start.

  i got married a year and half ago.

  some months into the marriage things where discovered.

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  Stirred

  I am so sorry to hear of the pain you are going through.

  i read you have been to counselors.  Have you tried group therapy for abuse victims? Not sure where you live.  I had experience with abuse and found support and help via Haven House.  It was free and very helpful for my mental and emotional state at time. There is likely also online help forums for victim support.

  Once you get a bit stronger, I urge you to get more strategic: record conversations, video if possible or have witnesses. Keep email file. Document. If this person is abusing you, Jehovah will understand.  A liar is being aggressively strategic and you must be fully prepared to defend and protect yourself. If you are not strong enough to do this on your own, get good help.

  You must guard your wellness on all levels.  Work on rebuilding your healthy life. You already stated that you cannot live in same situation again.....so decision made.  Now you must adapt best you can to new circumstances. Be prepared for more changes to come as the situation unfolds.

  You are valuable and worthy of being treated with dignity and repect.  Love is just the other side of respect in my book.  Synonymous to different degrees.

  It's okay to visit other halls during those or any talks....less eyes on you.  Jehovah knows your heart and the situation even if elders (only humans).  This is a shocking reality for you and you need to process.  

  Build support system of ones who believe in you, value you, cherish you, will be there for you.  Learn to tolerate the rest and not be too concerned.

  Take care.  Don't be afraid to read by the way.  Truth can withstand any challenge.

  
  

  Peace
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  Becoming officially inactive

  by All for show in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't want to turn in my token time anymore.

  it's only a few hours counting what we do with the kids.

  i don't want it counted for their skewed statistics- or to just for the sake of doing it.

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  I faced same wall end of May and chose not to turn in time and started visiting other halls (visiting actually came first and the reactions hastened my awakening). When SO asked for time finally, I simply stated, "I have nothing I want to report at this time." I was not lying that I had no time but stating I had nothing I WANTED to say. He focused on "no time," acted very shocked but only stated he understood how prepping for move was likely taxing my time.  I rarely visit that hall now and he and other elders keep it light and shallow so far.....and for me that is a good thing. 

  All the vest to you and your family.  You have way more pressure with family all around so you may need to find justifiable reason to visit other halls- e.g. Learn a new language, talk with a friend other side of town and go to meeting that side of town that week.  It helped me mentally/emotionally to have a legitimate, real reason to not be at MY hall so I could begin separation and it really helped me.

  Also, I have not officially moved my cards.  My cards are still at old hall and I think I will let them stay there.  i can visit around in new town without being targeted by elders for being on official list, and I am going less often now.  I guess I needed to do this slow versus 

  
  

  
  
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  i know this has been talked about. but isn't wearing JW.org stuff idol worship

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i am getting really frustrated...i see jdub's wearing jw.org items and .

  isn't this idol worship.

  respond if you like...i just want some .

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  I can't hide my uneasiness and find it puzzling why others are so eager to lap up this fad.  What is worse to me are those rushing to cash in on the business end of making these doodads to sell to all the eager JW consumers.  Advertise the Kingdom Organization (JW.org)!
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  Roll call of those of us stuck in for our spouse or whos spouse is still in!

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just wanted to get a feel for how many here have awakened to ttatt but are still carrying on some jw activities to pacify them and keep the peace.

  also trying to hear from those who have left, but whose spouse has stayed in the wt and in the marriage.. for me it comes down to my own mental anguish.

  i am mentally tortured by attending the meetings, yet i feel compelled to because my wife would kill me with her personality if i had her drag 2 small girls by herself there.

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  Stirred

  I read bits and pieces of myself and my husband in these posts....

  husband long inactive but believer and supporter of me to go and continue but now is willing to read and learn a bit more lately but cautiously.  He likes me going with kids for stability.

  i am now inactive last six months and no more Bible studies - turned over. I still go on Sundays but to different halls...less pressure and keeps me in loop that I feel some need still to have if even infrequent.  It's a process. I'm feeling better; less anxious, more confident.  

  If you still love your wife, let her know...show unconditional love.  She may be going through baby blues on top of all the financial pressure, etc.  Sounds like a pressure cooker.  She doubly will probably hold onto what makes her feel comfortable and safe right now.if she can find comfort elsewhere, it may ease her grip on KH.

  Peace to you all

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Watchtower Study today Jan 4 2015 , Fallacious Reasoning (issue Nov 15 2014)

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the subject of the study was jesus resurrection .

  my post is not about the subject and whether or not that can be believed in.

  millions of christians do and it is not my place to debunk religious faith.

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  It seems articles are becoming more and more simplistic and full of unproven claims with poor reasoning and few if no references.

  
  

  i would love to tune up my skills and courage enough to say something today about this article.
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  Still pointing your Finger when having a Rafter in your eye?

  by DocHouse in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes- everyone has faults and makes mistakes; an organization even more so.. yet, you ignore all the fingers pointing at you.. many here have no faith.

  many here go to churches who lie about everything biblical; look at x-mas!.

  but at least we know god and christ and try to live up to their name!.

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  Stirred

  New light for me often means new theories. Many hypotheses have proven false thus they keep changing hypotheses but really just they are just theories as many churches.
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  Watchtower Study today Jan 4 2015 , Fallacious Reasoning (issue Nov 15 2014)

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the subject of the study was jesus resurrection .

  my post is not about the subject and whether or not that can be believed in.

  millions of christians do and it is not my place to debunk religious faith.

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  Kids and I are reviewing this right now .....we can't help but say, "what???"  Par. 14 claims we have proof but offer none. I asked kids if we can find proof.  This is actually good for us to review critically. We are also surprised to read about dead person thrown in Elijah's grave.  We wondered if that caught on for a while and was unsuccessful with any other dead ones they threw in.  Were there some they chose to not throw in as they didn't want to resurrect them.  Maybe they guy was just near death and the fall jolted him back to activity.  This will be interesting to see what evidence if any ones may "research" to really answer or will they be satisfied with empty claims.

  i asked kids to see if they can find unique answers that prove JWs have truth since all christians can claim that their preaching proves they are directed and protected by God/Jesus.