Posts by SG098

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This is Why I Will Keep Explaining Evolution to ex-JWs

by cofty in

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SG098

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A famous Historian, Flavius Josephus, had written about the existence of Jesus, Jesus stated that man and women were created. That's good enough for me to still believe in Creation

Lets do some quick critical thinking here. JWs and other fundamentalist love to tout Josephus as "proof" for a super natural Jesus (I'm not debating if Jesus existed; he could have. I'm debating the super natural miracle Jesus).

Question - When did Jesus die?

Answer = 33CE

Question - When was Josephus born?

Answer = 37CE

Conclusion = Josephus can offer NO proof that Jesus actually had super natural powers. Josephus can't even prove Jesus existed. Therefore, STOP bringing Josephus into this argument...you lost centries ago.

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CO visit; going to meeting.

by SG098 in

hello everyone!just a little background info, i haven't been to a meeting in over a year.

my wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the circuit overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.. a few things of note about the situation:.

- i'm going to the meeting no matter what.

SG098

Every meeting I offer my wife the opportunity of whether she wants to take our son to the meeting or leave him with me. Most of the time she takes him , but about twice a month she leaves him with me.

I'm ok with her taking him because she doesn't get anything from the meeting because he can be a handful. My son is to young to understand what's going on.

When he gets old enough to comprehend more, I'm going to start to read to him about other religions and their crazy ideas and practices. I'm also going to read to him the slavery, racism, sexism, violence that's in the bible. In the age of information and reason, it's not going to be hard to show a child that "holy books" like the bible are just man-made works of fiction.

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Wt says show principal love by shunning fellow humans.

by poopie in

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SG098

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CO visit; going to meeting.

by SG098 in

hello everyone!just a little background info, i haven't been to a meeting in over a year.

my wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the circuit overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.. a few things of note about the situation:.

- i'm going to the meeting no matter what.

SG098

Sorry folks, the audio is just to bad. I was in the back lobby when I recorded the talk and there's just to much kids crying and other noise. I apologize, but I'm not going to upload it. Maybe next time (hopefully there isn't a next time).

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CO visit; going to meeting.

by SG098 in

hello everyone!just a little background info, i haven't been to a meeting in over a year.

my wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the circuit overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.. a few things of note about the situation:.

- i'm going to the meeting no matter what.

SG098

Thanks for all you feedback everyone! So nobody said anything like I expected. It was all very cordial and surface talk. Longest conversation I had with anyone was about 30seconds.

What was interesting was some of the elders were doing preemptive shunning. The elders know I'm an atheist since I told them a few months ago, but they have taken no action against me...I'm fortunate in that regard and yes I'm baptized. On the "information board" in the back of the hall, all the service groups are listed and who belongs in what group; I'm not even on the list next to my wife; which is fine by me since I don't call myself a JW. The nice elders in the hall came up to me and said hello, but the hardline elders including the COBE ignored me (which is also fine by me).

I was able to record most of the C.Os talk; my son got a little rowdy so I had to take him outside and let him cry it out so the talk was cut short by about 10mins. The C.Os talk was jaw-dropping hypocritical!

The title of the talk was "Guard yourself against Inspired Error."

Some highlights from the talk:

- ALL inspired error is from Satan.

- The organization is the only source for "inspired truth."

- The media which is part of Satan's inspired error, lies and twists the truth about JWs. (This to me is damage control since the ARC).

- "Some in the organization had expectations of the end coming at a certain time, but these expectations were exactly what they needed to get them through and stay focused on the kingdom." (WTF??? I've never heard such bogus logic. At the beginning of his talk, the CO said that all inspired error comes from satan, BUT the "wrong expectations" of others in the troof were virtually a blessing to keep them focused...WTF!)

I'll try to make a video of the talk and upload it. I'll have it up by Monday morning if not earlier so just keep an eye on this thread.

Thanks again.

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CO visit; going to meeting.

by SG098 in

hello everyone!just a little background info, i haven't been to a meeting in over a year.

my wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the circuit overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.. a few things of note about the situation:.

- i'm going to the meeting no matter what.

SG098

Hello everyone!Just a little background info, I haven't been to a meeting in over a year. My wife has asked me to go with her tonight to help watch our son since it's the Circuit Overseers visit...my wife wants to be able to pay attention and get something out of the meeting since our son is 1yr old he can be a handful some times.

A few things of note about the situation:

- I'm going to the meeting no matter what. (Not trying to back out)

- My wife knows I'm an atheist and we have a mutual respect for each others beliefs. (sorta)

What I need from you all is some ideas of what should I say if people in the hall say the following:

- "We've missed you."

- "Are you going to start coming back?"

- "Wasn't that a wonderful meeting!"

Or any other saying I should be prepared for. If the elders or even the CO try to get me into the back room for whatever reason, I'm going to say "no"...after all, they have NO authority.

I want to respond to people in a respectful yet affirmative tone to their inquiries or sayings. Since it's the CO visit, I may record some of the talks to see if he'll say anything cultish. Recording would be nothing new since I've done it before:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy3ZlxLEy6U

Thanks for your advice!

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The Org is terrified of apostates

by SecretSlaveClass in

i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

SG098

Too cool! One question: did they call you in for not turning in your hours or did you call a meeting with them to let them know?Nice to know you're pursuing a real education and having a great time doing it! Any reason you bothered attending the memorial?

So, the elders pulled me into the back room on a Tuesday night after the meeting. When the one elder said that, "he will be calling me to record my time." He texted me 2 days later (on Thursday) and asked if I'm ready to turn my time in. I texted back that after much thought, I'm sticking by my original concerns and therefore I will not be turning in my time. He replied back with something but I can't remember what he said.

As far as why I went to the memorial is because my wife is still a JW. I went to the memorial to make her happy. I'm now an atheist. She knows of my lack of belief and surprisingly our marriage is still good; we just don't talk about religion.

The elders have met with me at my house a couple months ago trying to get me to comeback to the meetings and they tried to "persuade" me that Jehovah is real (they also know I'm an atheist). God may be real, but as Matt Dillahunty says, God is playing the longest game of hide-and-go seek.

I did a write up about when the elders met with me a few months ago. You can find it at JW Recovery which is here:

https://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=23303

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The Org is terrified of apostates

by SecretSlaveClass in

i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

SG098

Thanks for watching my video folks. Yes, I'm the guy in the recording who refused to turn in my field service time. I can't believe that was over a year ago I posted that video.

If you're curious of how I'm doing, I haven't been to a meeting since December of 2014 (I went to the memorial). I'm enrolled in a local community college pursuing an A.A.S. degree and have never been happier!

Thanks again!

SG (oldgreg)

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2007 Awake mentions Child Abuse in Australia!

by SG098 in

in the october 2007 awake!

page 11, the b0rg had the audacity to say this concerning child sexual abuse: "sadly, though, most of such [child abuse] crimes go unpunished by authorities today.

in australia, for example, it has been estimated that only 10 percent of offenders are prosecuted, and few are convicted.

SG098

Wow-O-WOW!!!
In the October 2007 Awake! Page 11, the b0rg had the audacity to say this concerning child sexual abuse:

"Sadly, though, most of such [child abuse] crimes go unpunished by authorities today. In Australia, for example, it has been estimated that only 10 percent of offenders are prosecuted, and few are convicted. Other lands have had a similar record. While governments may be able to do little to protect the Christian family, the application of Bible principles can do far more." (October 2007 Awake! Page 11)

Here's the link to this publication:
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007363

Isn't GB member Geoffrey Jackson head of the writing committee??? He must of knew that when this article was published in 2007, hundreds of JW offenders were not being reported and prosecuted!!!

I sent this info to the Royal Commission.

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Gross hypocrisy in September 15, 2015 Watchtower

by Island Man in

ask any jw the question "why do jehovah's witnesses impose their views on others?

we do not impose our views on anyone!".

do you impose your views on others?

SG098

What's also interesting in the same paragraph; paragraph 9 of that article, this is what the b0rg says:

[Concerning selling health products to other JW members]: "....The couple had a right to choose for themselves whether they would follow a certain diet and take the supplements, but was it reasonable to put the unity of the congregation at risk over health care? For a time, Christians in ancient Rome had differing opinions with regard to eating certain foods and observing certain days. What advice did Paul give them? Regarding the latter, he said: “One man judges one day as above another; another judges one day the same as all others; let each one be fully convinced in his own mind.” It was important not to put a stumbling block before others.—

I find it interesting that the b0rg in a round about way is saying observing holidays or "certain days" is up to the individual. The above quote is reminiscent of the famous 2003 Awake article about piñatas in my opinion.