IMO all they have done is change a few catholic doctrines-by extention protestant ones too depending on which sect.- adopted their modus operandi from the dark ages ,and some of their authoritarian literature- effectively shoving old wine in a new bhisti ( leather bag used to carry water by natives in British India) and Gunga Din's ( poem by Rudyard Kipling) to tout their bilge-water from door-to-door.
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100 years of Christs Rule ? Acheivments ? Are you serious ?
by smiddy intell me what acheivements have been acheived that are different than what are proclaimed by protestant religions .in the 100 years of christs reign according to jehovahs witnesses , is their anything that stands out as jehovahs witnesses have more direction ?
from god ?.
if you look at their history , google , you will see they are nowwhere near being spokespersons for god .. smiddy.
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What is the Watchtower's(R) Objective with the APATHY TROLLEY(CART)?
by punkofnice ini wefer to my pwevious fred http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/280829/2/i-saw-a-trolley-cart-to-you-cousins-in-the-u-s-a.
if the wbt$ is losing money and drones then why so much apathy surrounding the trolley/cart?.
why are they not being more pro-active with this 'urgent, never to be repeated work(tm)?'.
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The WBTS realizes the poor response in door-to-door work is overwhelming. Their constant touting of its importance is reason enough to believe that they aren't getting the desired number of hours from the rank and file. Most of the hours are cooked up by regular,auxillary,special poineers and the elders,co's do's etc. Rank and file -if you ask me - average about 2-3 hours only. This could be one way to beef uptheir stats. All they want to do is look good on paper. To impress the R&F that this is J's organization.And their continued bullshit of how the work is being speeded up ithe last days.
Trollies or carts help R&F to report 8-10 minium per month.
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Two well dressed young men came knocking
by Hairtrigger inhere's my experience in the last 15 minutes.
it's about 6 p.m and i'm home alone watching tv when someone knocks loudly on the door.
i open and there, like an apparation, stand two of j smith's disciples -smart looking , well dressed ( they used to wear black ties only a few years ago) clean cut.. i inform them that i'm an ex-j witness and they are quiet for a moment.
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Hairtrigger
Hello everyone. Here's my experience in the last 15 minutes
It's about 6 p.m and I'm home alone watching TV when someone knocks loudly on the door. I open and there, like an apparation, stand two of J Smith's disciples -Smart looking , well dressed ( they used to wear black ties only a few years ago) clean cut.
I inform them that I'm an ex-J Witness and they are quiet for a moment. Then their faces light up and they ask if I know anything about them. I tell them I had read the book of Mormon about 7 years ago and the history of their topdog JS too. And I that had thrown the BOM into the trash. They asked why. " Because all four religions, Judaism; Christianity; Islam and Mormonism come from the same source. And the source is flawed.
"Do you ever pray sir?"
" Yes- that JW's and Mormons and other religious sects never come knocking at my door - but so far my prayers haven't been answered".
They chuckle a bit
" Seriously no. I don't believe in religion ."
" Do you believe that Jesus died for us and was resurrected after 3 days?"
" Is there any scientific proof of his being resurrected?"
Silence for a bit
" And if he died for man then everything was fulfilled in him? Doesn't the bible say that? Why the need for Mohammed 600 years later and JS 1800 years after? At least Mohammed claims lineage to Abhraham through Abe's son Ismael from his slave Hagar. Does JS have any family claim to the patriarch ?" And why would the only prophet...some call him god....die ,be resurrected and say everything was fulfilled in him ,only to have god send JS later? Why didn't he say what JS would say 1800 years earlier.And he doesn't mention any prophet appearing on earth after him. You would think it would have crossed his mind to mention future prophets like JS and Mohammed? None of the books in the greek scriptures mention JS or Mohammed anyone like them . Have you guys really read up on JS ?
Yes we have done a lot of reading on him"
" Outside of your church's writings? Any secular readings on him I mean?"
Silence for a moment .
" Actually JS does say that christ is the son of god blah, blah blah.."
" My Q was why didn't J say what JS would later?"
They look at each other briefly and get off the topic.
" How long were you a JW?"
"Oficially ... unofficially ..."
" and before that..."
" What's this an inqusition?"
They laugh a bit.
" I have a question for you"
"Please go ahead"
" Do you know that both, you guys and the JW's are known as cults outside your circles?"
" Yes I know that some people call us a cult."
" Ever wondered why?"
" Because they don't know us I'm sure if they get to know us they will realize we are different."
" Trust me you are different. That's the standard belief of all cults. Have you ever read any books on how to recognize a cult?"
"No"
" Here's my recommendation. There is a book by Steve Hasan on how to recognize a cult or any cult . Please read it ."
"Oh umn ok"
Then they try offering me a little well made card to some meeeting on the 6th of July-I politely decline. They offer me another one giving me their address etc.
I inform them that I will never be interested in what they have to say but " in order to oblige you guys I will take your card for one reason only- to inquire whether you have read Steve Hasan's book".
They say they will try and get the book.
" Go online you will find it"
They shake and then move on to my neighbor's door.
The difference between these guys and the JW's is that they seem less dogmatic in their acceptance of ouside readings and are willing to read what JW's would dub as "apostate" lit.
On the other hand are they?
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When I decided to no longer turn in time...
by SG098 inbeing my 1st post i figured i should relate a personal experience.
a few months ago i decided to stop reporting time.
i'm mentally out of this cult now but still trapped because of family.
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SG098
I admire your tact and courage in handling the interrogation. It sucks when what you wanna say can't be said because of family considerations. I have reported 0 hrs for the last few months and my meeting attendance matches my reporting. I expect to be called for a meeting soon and am prepared for it. Your tape helps greatly because just a few days ago I had inquired about wiring oneself. Since I am not encumbered by any family considerations or otherwise I don't know how i am going to react. But thank you for this, welcome to this excellent forum and once again hats off to your brave honesty.
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The world cup
by Laika in4 weeks of football and wimbledon tennis in between!?
life is beautiful.. aaahhhh!
i'm so excited!.
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Hairtrigger
Cofty: Clarification when I said "Fix" my meaning was Netherlands is going to win the WC
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The world cup
by Laika in4 weeks of football and wimbledon tennis in between!?
life is beautiful.. aaahhhh!
i'm so excited!.
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Hairtrigger
Cofty: It has nothing to do with any particular team or its ability. FIFA is, arguably, the most corrupt sports body. They " decide" who wins the WC. The sharers in the spoils so far from 1966 onwards have been Brazil, Germany, Holland, Italy,Argentina - with France Spain and England in with a crumb or two each.
In general -Brazil vs Mexico this afternoon- was that the real Brazil team playing? Really? Booting the ball over the goal (deliberately) doing evrything to miss. Mispasses galore; a dribbling warm-up facade with no direction, control or desire to play- leave alone win. Looks like the cartels paid off the Brazilians.
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May I kiss you...
by Dis-Member inmay i kiss you.. (by jeanette).
i ask if i may kiss you.. you just smile; no answer is necessary.. my initial kiss is just a flirting of our lips.. my tongue lightly flicking -.
the tip of my tongue runs all around your lips.
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Hairtrigger
Get on with it and stop all this ball-talk!
Get implicit man leave out the explicit!
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The world cup
by Laika in4 weeks of football and wimbledon tennis in between!?
life is beautiful.. aaahhhh!
i'm so excited!.
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Hairtrigger
The world cup is fixed as are all top level sports.
Here is the fix.
Netherlands. Can you imagine the Dutch beating any world class team by 5?
Remember France? Brazil rammed through their opponents like lions through sheep and suddenly they played like a bunch of school kids in the finals -beaten by France!!! Watch all France's games during that world cup and watch Brazil's. You'll get my drift.
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Wearing a wire
by Hairtrigger inhye folks-just wanted some info.
is wearing a wire to a jc or any other meeting an easy-to-do thing.
how do you go about trying to find to an agency that hires out equipment?
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Hairtrigger
Watchtower-free. Thankyou for the links.
Londo111 can you elaborate on how an i-phone can be used as a recorder? Thanks
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Wearing a wire
by Hairtrigger inhye folks-just wanted some info.
is wearing a wire to a jc or any other meeting an easy-to-do thing.
how do you go about trying to find to an agency that hires out equipment?
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Hairtrigger
Hye Folks-Just wanted some info. , if anyone has done this in the US . Is wearing a wire to a JC or any other meeting an easy-to-do thing. How do you go about trying to find to an agency that hires out equipment? How expensive could it be? Any well known agencies/companies that I could contact?
thanks in anticipation