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  UK Kingdom Halls for sale

  by darkspilver in

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  " and a mighty cry went out over all the land: "sell !

  sell !

  sell !

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  Onager

  I wonder if they'll go the mainline churches route when the money starts to dry up and start letting the halls be rented out by other groups? Toddler playgroup on a Monday, Satan's Appreciation Group on Wednesdays...
  
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  Article - Wales - Daily Post: 'Sly' Anglesey Jehovah's Witness preacher jailed for sex with a child

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/sly-anglesey-jehovahs-witness-preacher-12361109.

  dec. 22, 2016 by derek bellis.

  elder, daniel anglesey pleaded guilty at caernarfon crown court and was sent to prison for two years and eight months.

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  Onager

  fokyc
  

  14 hours ago

  How can this possibly happen?

  I was told that, "Elders are spiritually appointed men appointed by Holy Spirit and blessed by Jehovah".

  Perhaps the Elders in Gloucestershire have got it wrong?

  Link
  

  
  What have elders in Gloucestershire got to do with anything? Anglesey is in North Wales!
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  MERRY CHRISTMAS

  by jhine in

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  l don't visit very often now , but l wanted to drop in to wish all you folks a merry christmas and happy new year .

  as l cannot find a thread already started for this l have started one !

  in the immortal words of chuck berry ( l think ) " come on everybody " join in wishing your fellow posters a merry christmas , happy holidays etc .

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  Merry Christmas!

  May all your festive wishes come true and your new year resolutions last all year.
  
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  Jeremiah 10:23 - "...It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."

  by HereIgo in

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  2. experiences

  i have been accused recently of "trying to direct my own step" because of my questioning the org and refusing to come back to the "truth" for the past 6 years.

  i personally still believe in god, i just doubt that he is behind the jw org, that's all.

  why is that so hard for jw's to understand?

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  "It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step".

  OK... but in that case it doesn't belong to any other man (or men) to direct his step either.
  
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  Garden of Eden

  by Onager in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  where is the garden of eden?.

  i don't mean where in the world, i mean where in history.

  adam and eve get booted out of this place.

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  Ah, the flood destroyed the garden. Of course! :)

  That still leaves two thousand years of human history (Eden to flood) where humans could have tried to get to the fruit though. The prize is eternal life for crying out loud! Surely Adam and all his descendants would be camped out in front of the garden, desperately trying to find a way in. We would have tales, passed down into history, of the hero Zog who managed to get over the wall but was mauled by a vegetarian lion inches away from the tree.

  I guess my point is the Eden story has all the characteristics of a fable. And if it is a fable (which it is) then the fall of man is allegorical (not true) and the ransom sacrifice is not required and all Christian religions are no more valid than a Harry Potter fan club.
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  Garden of Eden

  by Onager in

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  2. bible

  where is the garden of eden?.

  i don't mean where in the world, i mean where in history.

  adam and eve get booted out of this place.

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  Where is the garden of Eden?

  I don't mean where in the world, I mean where in history.

  Adam and Eve get booted out of this place. A place which is not only a pretty nice place to live, but it has a tree in it which gives you everlasting life.

  Yes it's guarded by angels and levitating fiery swords, but surely people would have been trying to get in and get the fruit? The garden and the tree of life just disappear out of the narrative, almost like it was a fable.

  If there was an actual Eden with an actual tree of life in it then surely the history of humanity would have been one of desperately trying to break back into Eden?

  Yes, ok, maybe the angels defending the garden might have been a bit trigger happy and killed those that tried but I bet you that every generation would at least raise one hero who would try and reach the prize. If such a place existed.

  Thinking about it. What does the tree of life do in the story? God creates the garden of Eden and puts the tree of life and the tree of knowledge in it. The tree of knowledge has its fruit eaten by Adam and Eve, but no-one eats the tree of life's fruit. It's created and disappears without fulfilling any purpose at all.

  The only place you see ridiculously powerful artefacts appear and then disappear like this is in badly written fiction where the hero in book one finds the sword of ultimate power but then in book two has to lose it again otherwise he would have it too easy.
  
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  New member

  by NinaCee in

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  2. friends

  i did not see a newbs thread to introduce myself, so my apologies if i'm in the wrong place.

  i was a 3rd generation born in witness for 30 years until i was disfellowshipped back in 2007 for making a mistake.

  my entire life up until that point was based on and circled around the society, and even though at first i really enjoyed my freedom (i still do), the fact is that i'm still struggling with cognitive dissonance, resentment, and loneliness.. i miss my family all the time.

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  Welcome NinaCee!

  If you're still struggling with Cognitive dissonance, then that must mean that part of you still believes there's some truth in the JW religion. Using resources like this forum and JWfacts.com should ease that dissonance as you'll find out that on every important point, they are completely wrong.

  A possessive husband is whole nother ball of wax. You count yourself lucky to have him, but does he count himself lucky to have you? If he does then he should be prepared to be a little less possessive as it's harming your other friendships.

  welcome again!
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  Question for believers here, Ecclesiastes 1:4 and Psalm 105;5 "Earth remain forever".

  by James Mixon in

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  2. bible

  what is your understanding on the earth remain forever???

  today it's a fact (99,999%) that the earth will be consumed by the sun in the future be it 3 million or 3 billion years.

  a topic we have been discussing here on paradise earth in the last two or three days and i notice no believer chimed in.

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  My argument would be that:

  One generation passes away, and another generation comes;
  But the earth abides forever. - Ecclesiastes 1:4 New King James Version

  Is clearly talking about the people of the earth when it uses the phrase "the earth".

  A generation passes away, a Generation comes but the people abide forever, is obviously the meaning.

  So gods people will exist forever, but the planet will eventually be destroyed. So where will they live? Well, when the time comes we can look to the bible for a historical precedent of what will happen. Clearly, just as in the days of Noah, god will instruct his people to build some kind of space Ark. This will also be a good opportunity for god to have another cull of people he doesn't like. And animals he doesn't like, and plants...

  And just like another bible story he will lead his chosen people, in their space ark, to a new land, a land flowing with (alien) milk and (alien) honey, where they can butcher the inhabitants and take possession and live happily until that planets sun also goes nova and they move on again and again...

  This doesn't answer what happens at the eventual heat death of the universe, but I'm tired now and am going to stop. :)
  
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  Disassociation - shunning - can we all lobby Government that it is against freedom of religion?

  by stockholm_Syndrome in

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  2. beliefs

  if jws want to inflict shunning on members who want to remain -- knock yourselves out.

  but if someone wants to leave - dont believe in an evil almighty god, bible ...or just dont agree with the rules- they should be free to leave- even after being 'disfellowshipped'.

  i think it was pre 1980 that you could disassociate yourself without shunning repercussions.

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  Think about what you're asking ... the Government would what, mandate that you get to go to someone's BBQ? It's simply unworkable and impractical and would be impossible to draw up legislation that wouldn't impact a million and one other aspects of life.

  I disagree Simon. The aim would be to prevent an organisation having an official policy of shunning, not whether an individual is allowed at another individuals BBQ.
  

  The target is the Organisation policy and I think a government could take action, especially as it is (supposed to be) a charitable organisation.

  The end result might end up the same. Brother Shunsalot still doesn't invite you to his BBQ, but Sister Shuns-cos-she-has-to would now be able to invite you round.
  
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  Survey: Are you Agnostic or Atheist or Christian?

  by Iamallcool in

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  2. friends

  i am agnostic.

  i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.

  please answer my question.

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  Onager

  Technically agnostic.

  In practice atheist.