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  Silly Bible Stories we once believed

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  these bible stories are too silly to be true.

  take off your rose colored glasses and you will begin to see some great imagination, exaggeration and great story telling!.

  telling !.

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  Onager

  I was going to post about Samson and the 300 foxes, but smiddy3 beat me to it. I mean, seriously! You would need to have a fox shop nearby. Not a little corner shop either, a massive superstore specialising entirely in live foxes. Three HUNDRED foxes.
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  Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

  by Issa in

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  i left the jw organization last year during summer.

  maybe some of you can relate.

  who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

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  Onager

  Firm atheist here, but hopefully not a gobby one! Happy to be friends with deists and theists and even have discussions based in their world views as long as it's in the abstract and isn't disguised proselytizing at me.

  I did worry that it was an artifact of my JW indoctrination that made me reject all other religions automatically, leaving agnosticism or atheism as the only options. I have done research though and once I learned the model of religion and how it's a means of social control it became obvious (to me) that all religions were man-made.

  I did pass through deism and agnosticism on my journey to atheism, but the lack of evidence eventually led me to choose atheism as the only logical position (again, for me).
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  Introduce myself

  by dantoole87 in

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  i'd like share why i went from being a teenager determined to work in full time service for jehovah my entire life, to now being on here commiserating with you all.

  i use to be an atheist but i now believe in god.

  but i'm not preachy about god.

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  Onager

  Hi Dan,

  Come back to atheism... you know it makes sense...

  Nah, only kidding! Do whatever seems right to you and makes you feel good. :)

  The only thing I would say is to study for yourself now. There are so many false teachings that have been inculcated into your brain as a JW that now subconsciously help to form your beliefs. JWfacts.com is a great place to start (if you haven't been there already) clearing out the lies.

  I hope things work out for you!
  
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  Uncovering "GOD"

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  with self-righteous indignation, the watchtower society (wts) points to its restoration of the hebrew tetragram (hwhy = “yahweh” = = = > “jehovah”) wherever the english translator renders it as “lord”..

  the wts complains that the use of “lord” hides the fact that the name (“jehovah” for the wts) is intended.

  however, with its call of “look over here, look over here”, the wts diverts attention, probably unintentionally, from related information that it, in turn, does not reveal..

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  Onager

  Ok, so I looked up Enki in the book Sumer and The Sumerians last night. There's one sentence in the whole book that mentions him!

  "Eridu was reputed to be the earliest city of all, home of the god Enki who saved humankind from the flood."

  Not really much to work with there! The book turns out to be focused on the physical evidence from archaeological digs and finds rather than the religion and mythology of the Sumerians. It still looks to be a very interesting read though!
  
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  Uncovering "GOD"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with self-righteous indignation, the watchtower society (wts) points to its restoration of the hebrew tetragram (hwhy = “yahweh” = = = > “jehovah”) wherever the english translator renders it as “lord”..

  the wts complains that the use of “lord” hides the fact that the name (“jehovah” for the wts) is intended.

  however, with its call of “look over here, look over here”, the wts diverts attention, probably unintentionally, from related information that it, in turn, does not reveal..

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  Onager

  Here's a link which quotes many scholarly articles on the subject, but I don't know if anything can constitute evidence as such. As it says in this link:

  Nothing is "lock-tight provable," _all_ is _speculation_ for scholars, myself included.

  http://www.bibleorigins.net/YahwehYawUgarit.html
  

  I also have this book, which my wife asked for for Christmas randomly, which I hope will have something to say on the subject:
  

  Sumer and the Sumerians

  I'll let you know if I find out anything of interest.
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  COLD today

  by wasone in

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  it's a cold 13 degrees fahrenheit in tennessee this morning where i live.

  glad i'm retired and don't have to work outside today.

  what about where you live.

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  Onager

  Here in Gloucestershire, UK. It's cold and rainy. Warmer than last week though.
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  Uncovering "GOD"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with self-righteous indignation, the watchtower society (wts) points to its restoration of the hebrew tetragram (hwhy = “yahweh” = = = > “jehovah”) wherever the english translator renders it as “lord”..

  the wts complains that the use of “lord” hides the fact that the name (“jehovah” for the wts) is intended.

  however, with its call of “look over here, look over here”, the wts diverts attention, probably unintentionally, from related information that it, in turn, does not reveal..

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  Onager

  Um, I wasn't saying that Enki = Yahweh, but that Enki is the origin of some of the elements that go to make up Yahweh. A proto-Yaweh if you like.

  That's not to say that other gods were also included in the mass copy and paste job that went into creating Yahweh.
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  Uncovering "GOD"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with self-righteous indignation, the watchtower society (wts) points to its restoration of the hebrew tetragram (hwhy = “yahweh” = = = > “jehovah”) wherever the english translator renders it as “lord”..

  the wts complains that the use of “lord” hides the fact that the name (“jehovah” for the wts) is intended.

  however, with its call of “look over here, look over here”, the wts diverts attention, probably unintentionally, from related information that it, in turn, does not reveal..

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  Onager

  Not to disagree with you Doug Mason, but I thought that the origins of Yahweh were from the Sumerian god Enki?

  There are many bible stories which have direct correlations with Enki's mythology, (And with the Sumerians predating the Israelites and the Canaanites and being a major power in the region their religion is likely to have had an influence on both) for example:

  Enki is the creator of man.

  He is a flood god.

  He confused the tongues of men, creating all the different languages.

  Also, reading the Wiki entry on him just now, I noticed that Enki is depicted with two streams of water flowing into each of his shoulders: one the Tigris, the other the Euphrates.[12] Alongside him are two trees, symbolizing the male and female aspects of nature.
  

  I might be reaching too far here, but that sounds a lot like major elements from the garden of Eden story to me.

  I've just read this bit in the Influence section of that Wiki page:

  As Ea, Enki had a wide influence outside of Sumer, being equated with El (at Ugarit) and possibly Yah (at Ebla) in the Canaanite 'ilhm pantheon,
  

  So, yes, it looks like Enki became Ea and then became El. So... we're both right? :)
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  Are We all Witnesses Here?

  by Ikechukwu.info in

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  i am new to this site, want to know who in the admin and are we all jw?.

  if yes, i am from nigeria, west african.

  as an active and dedicated witness i want to tread safe.. need to make some friends here; i love honesty in all things.. best regards.

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  Onager

  Hi and welcome! I'm not a JW, I'm an atheist, just so you know.

  I don't post very much though...
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  Hollow earth

  by Jrjw in

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  i thought the flat earth conspiracy theory was strange but ive just read an article about a new conspiracy theory that the earth is hollow and that its a paradise there and 8 foot tall intellectually advanced aliens live there who send space ships out every so often to check on mankind.

  apparently lost viking colonies and nazis that fled there after world war 2 are living there immortally 🤣🤣 .

  this world just gets better and better 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

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  Onager

  I first encountered the Hollow Earth idea when I read the book "Can you Speak Venusian" by Patrick Moore. That book was first published in 1972, so it's really not a new theory!

  It's a fun and interesting read, I'd rate it along side Flim-Flam by James Randi for looking at and addressing the cuckoo ideas that people have.