Posts by Onager

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PORTUGAL: Petition to terminate the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness gets national news coverage

by EdenOne in

the petition is now going on 537 signatures.. today the newspaper "diário de notícias", the leading non-tabloid newspaper in the country, gave the story front page coverage and a full page to the article inside.. here are the links to the pictures of the pages:.

front page:.

page 6 and article: .

Onager

I'm a citizen of an EU country... just about. Where do I go to sign?

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

Onager

So you're saying that 250,000 people enjoyed dying in a tsunami?

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PORTUGAL: Petition to terminate the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness gets national news coverage

by EdenOne in

the petition is now going on 537 signatures.. today the newspaper "diário de notícias", the leading non-tabloid newspaper in the country, gave the story front page coverage and a full page to the article inside.. here are the links to the pictures of the pages:.

front page:.

page 6 and article: .

Onager

A beacon of hope shines forth from Portugal!

Hurrah!

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Memorial Invitation 2018 : Subliminal Message ?

by jwdoctrine in

jw
friends

http://jwdoctrine.com/memorial-invitation-2018-demonic-subliminal/.

memorial invitation : subliminal message.

at first glance, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the invitation but on closer look a disturbing detail becomes apparent.it is in the upper right corner of the illustration of jesus christ celebrating the last supper with his disciples in the upper room...there seem to be trees outside the window but on closer inspection, all thanks to the pdf format of the invitation that allows you a very close look down to the fine detail, these are not trees but letters!!!.

Onager

In your version, where you've highlighted the letters in red, you have ignored one of the "trees" immediately to the left of the second Y. I don't think there's anything sinister about this, it's more a case that you've had an idea and are now trying to fit the facts into the idea.

This approach leaves you open to being tricked by your own mind, which is brilliant at finding patterns and presenting them to your consciousness quickly. That moving grass and that sound of a cracking twig means there is a tiger over there kind of thing.

In short I think you're seeing letters where there are only meant to be trees.

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No Bible = No God?

by menrov in

some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

would you still believe in a creator?.

Onager

Evidence?

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Im Writing An Ex-JW Self Help Book

by pale.emperor in

we all know waking up from the cult and trying to leave is a very scary and life changing experience.

for many it's traumatic and few find the transition easy.

we have to deal with families cutting us off entirely or keeping us at arms length at best, lies being told about us by the organization, ex members gossiping about us and finding ourselves in a world very different from what we're prepared for.. for this reason, i've decided to start writing a self-help book informing jws of what to expect when they leave the org.

Onager

Looking forward to reading!

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A Book About Cults.

by Lost in the fog in

i've been told that this book is a good read.

has anyone on here read it and can say what's in it or what's it about?

it is quite expensive to buy.

Onager

I liked Steve Hassan's Combatting Cult Mind Control. The edition I have doesn't have a section on JW's but I think the latest one does. It's not expensive either!

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No Bible = No God?

by menrov in

some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

would you still believe in a creator?.

Onager

Whether we should address God using terms such as it, He, She or not matters not.

Sorry to disagree with you Venus but it's the heart of the matter. As soon as you give any attribute to God, beyond being a non-interventionist creator who set reality in motion and then took no further part, then you enter the realm of extraordinary claims, for which there is no evidence,

You state that God is a he and that he "silently enjoys" providing humans with things. What is your proof that this is the case?

What if God is a she and she hates humanity because they insist on committing acts of destruction and not acts of creation?

What if God is a capricious child who created the universe by accident and then threw it away?

The fact is there is equal evidence to prove these propositions, including yours, i.e.: none.

The fact is that there are an infinite number of possibilities once you propose a creator God so the only logical position is to assume they are all false until there is any evidence to narrow the field.

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Am I Overreacting Here?

by pale.emperor in

let's call him "dave".. dave: hello?.

dave: we dont have to tell you how she is.

dave: <her mother> has custody.

Onager

P.E. I know you want your daughter to keep on seeing her cousins, but isn't the price to be paid for that to happen way too high? Couldn't she make close friends with other kids at playgroups, after school clubs or whatever, you know, like normal kids do?

I have a pretty good relationship with my JW family, but I wouldn't allow any of them to look after my boy unsupervised. They have a poison inside, but they think it's medicine. I could never trust them not to poison my son, because they'd think they were doing the best for him.

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No Bible = No God?

by menrov in

some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

would you still believe in a creator?.

Onager

@Venus: Problem with people who ask for proof for God’s existence is that they have formulated their own concepts of God from books like Bible.

And yet you call God "He". Where did that concept come from?

Do the fishes call the sea "He"?