Posts by Onager

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Help Elders poking nose in

by Formerbrother in

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what can i do when elders want to poke their nose in?.

they want to have another chat with me and my wife, but we dont want to, it just gets us down..

Onager

@Drearyweather: I know that sad. But you gave them the authority to poke their nose in when you got baptized.

Maybe, but you can revoke that authority any time you like.

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Jesus Christ—The Greatest Scientist (and Psychologist) who ever lived on earth!

by Ireneus in

if we eliminate all the controversial and confusing verses attributed to jesus we will get the crystal clear truth from him because his source was (1) god which can be seen from his habit of early morning talking to god in prayer (mark 1:35; john 8:1, 2) which would not have been for material blessings (mathew 6:8; 16:24), and (2) also observance of people.. 1) jesus who said judgment is based on whether we acted humanely or not (mathew 25:31-46) would not have spoken about god’s people and pagans (which means bulk of the things found in gospel had not been spoken/done by jesus).. 2) another important truth he said was about the real key to our happiness which he said is with each one of us.

(luke 17:21).

from his observance of history, he knew there are people from adversities who made great contribution to the world; and there are people from all abundance who lived a life of wastage accomplishing nothing; and there are people who are mixed in varying degree.

Onager

Let neuroscience come with full explanation. At present neuroscientists have only partial view.

Science only has a partial view because that's as far as the evidence has led (so far). You may have a complete explanation but you have only achieved that by making stuff up. If we strip away all your fabrication and wishful thinking then the position we are left in is the same position that science currently holds.

You're like a poker player who when another player says "I bet £10" says, "I see your £10 and raise you 1,000 Pingu's.". Play with real money (verifiable facts) or don't play at all because I, for one, don't recognise the Pingu as viable currency.

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PORTUGAL: Petition to terminate the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness gets national news coverage

by EdenOne in

the petition is now going on 537 signatures.. today the newspaper "diário de notícias", the leading non-tabloid newspaper in the country, gave the story front page coverage and a full page to the article inside.. here are the links to the pictures of the pages:.

front page:.

page 6 and article: .

Onager

I've finally signed. I'm forgetful. :(

The English translation of the petition is a bit scary though:

PETITION FOR THE EXTINCTION OF THE ASSOCIATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND CANCELLATION OF ITS REGISTRATION IN THE REGISTER OF RELIGIOUS COLLECTIVE PEOPLE.

I know they're dinosaurs, but extinction might be a bit much!
(I'm guessing it's a translation error...)

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How soon is soon?

by Sour Grapes in

i guess if the jdubs have no clue how long a generation is they also wouldn't know how long a time period the word "soon" refers too.. 60 years ago my mother would hammer into my brain how soon the great tribulation was.

soon jehovah would destroy the wicked.

then a few years later there was no need to go to college because the end was so soon.

Onager

Frame of reference is key when considering something subjective like soon. It doesn't matter if there's an infinite God to whom "soon" is a million years. It's the frame of reference of the people receiving the message that is important.

For humans soon can still be seconds, minutes or even years. It's still subjective. What it can't be though is more than the lifetime of a human. That's not soon in anybody's book.

You might say, wait a minute. The Yellowstone Caldera is going to explode soon and that might be thousands of years from now. Yes, but the frame of reference for that "soon" is in a geological time, not human lifespan time.

The message was for humans and the frame of reference was human, so although the term soon is subjective it cannot exceed a whole human lifetime.

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Sincere question to those who no longer believe in God

by nowwhat? in

i get it, not a fan of yahweh the desert god.

but what about jesus?

anything wrong with his teachings like the sermon on the mount and the example he set.

Onager

Here's a couple of dangerous teachings of Jesus:

"Take therefore no thought for the morrow, for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself." Matt 6.34

Which, as the late, great Christopher Hitchens said, is the philosophy of economic suicide.

"But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my bretheren?" Matt 12.48

Religion is more important than family.

Then there's the whole purpose or message of the Jesus story: That a man called Adam (made up) did something wrong and I am somehow implicated in that guilt 6,000 years later and the only way for me to remove this imagined guilt is for another man, Jesus (probably made up) to be killed and for me to believe in this without evidence, i.e. faith.

The only reason anyone would accept this insane story is being taught it as fact when impressionable.

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PORTUGAL: Petition to terminate the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness gets national news coverage

by EdenOne in

the petition is now going on 537 signatures.. today the newspaper "diário de notícias", the leading non-tabloid newspaper in the country, gave the story front page coverage and a full page to the article inside.. here are the links to the pictures of the pages:.

front page:.

page 6 and article: .

Onager

I'm a citizen of an EU country... just about. Where do I go to sign?

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

by jukief in

by evolution or by creation?

"the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

Onager

So you're saying that 250,000 people enjoyed dying in a tsunami?

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PORTUGAL: Petition to terminate the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness gets national news coverage

by EdenOne in

the petition is now going on 537 signatures.. today the newspaper "diário de notícias", the leading non-tabloid newspaper in the country, gave the story front page coverage and a full page to the article inside.. here are the links to the pictures of the pages:.

front page:.

page 6 and article: .

Onager

A beacon of hope shines forth from Portugal!

Hurrah!

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Memorial Invitation 2018 : Subliminal Message ?

by jwdoctrine in

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http://jwdoctrine.com/memorial-invitation-2018-demonic-subliminal/.

memorial invitation : subliminal message.

at first glance, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the invitation but on closer look a disturbing detail becomes apparent.it is in the upper right corner of the illustration of jesus christ celebrating the last supper with his disciples in the upper room...there seem to be trees outside the window but on closer inspection, all thanks to the pdf format of the invitation that allows you a very close look down to the fine detail, these are not trees but letters!!!.

Onager

In your version, where you've highlighted the letters in red, you have ignored one of the "trees" immediately to the left of the second Y. I don't think there's anything sinister about this, it's more a case that you've had an idea and are now trying to fit the facts into the idea.

This approach leaves you open to being tricked by your own mind, which is brilliant at finding patterns and presenting them to your consciousness quickly. That moving grass and that sound of a cracking twig means there is a tiger over there kind of thing.

In short I think you're seeing letters where there are only meant to be trees.

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No Bible = No God?

by menrov in

some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

would you still believe in a creator?.

Onager

Evidence?