Posts by Onager

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Superstitions ,Numbers , and Miracles of the Bible Writers ? Why then & not now.

by smiddy3 in

doesn`t the bible with its fascination / significance with numbers indicate that its authors were superstitious and written for the benefit of superstitious people in mind ?.

numbers such as 7 ,10 , 12 , 40 , 144,000 , and the amount of times and applications in scripture , sometimes a multiple of such numbers are used.. coupled with its magical claims of miracles , curing the sick by touch,raising the dead ,curing the blind ,walking on water ,axe heads floating on top of the water ,calming the weather during a storm,curing leprosy ,etc,etc.?.

all of these instances on a limited occurrence of course and only in certain cases.

Onager

I think it could be because there were miracles at the time the bible was written. Two people are sick, one touches the holy stone of Ptah and gets better, the other doesn't and dies. It's a miracle!

Miracles followed the same evolution as religion itself. The portable version of sacred stones, prayer, was developed and then, of course, there was a need for faith and lack of faith. Everyone can pray but not everyone gets the miracles, ah hah! They must have lacked faith!

Miracles haven't gone away since the bible was written, they've just evolved. There are people today who say that their illness was cured by a miracle from god and there are charlatans right now exploiting super-natural and superstitious beliefs.

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Why go back to the Old Testament?

by Lost in the fog in

why do jws insist on still quoting from the old testament to back up some of their wacky ideas?

such as on blood, beards, abortion, tattoos, etc.

surely if the mosaic law code was nailed to the torture stake all of its parts were cancelled.

Onager

Dear Myelaine,

I didn't ask if you could give me any evidence, I asked if you had any evidence. It's a small difference, but I have looked for evidence myself and have proved to my own satisfaction that there is none. I'm not looking for evidence any more as I have a working model of reality that doesn't include gods although I am open to new evidence if it is presented.

If you want to assert the existence of such things then I will only accept them with evidence, otherwise my position is that you're just making up stories. :)

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Why go back to the Old Testament?

by Lost in the fog in

why do jws insist on still quoting from the old testament to back up some of their wacky ideas?

such as on blood, beards, abortion, tattoos, etc.

surely if the mosaic law code was nailed to the torture stake all of its parts were cancelled.

Onager

Dear Myelaine,

I'm sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick with your post. I thought you were advocating the JW Kingdom of God and my response was aimed at that religion.

You do seem to be claiming the existence of a Kingdom of God though and that humans can go there as a reward and that there is a "One" who can deliver that reward? If that's so and I haven't missed the point again, do you have any evidence for any of those things?

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Why go back to the Old Testament?

by Lost in the fog in

why do jws insist on still quoting from the old testament to back up some of their wacky ideas?

such as on blood, beards, abortion, tattoos, etc.

surely if the mosaic law code was nailed to the torture stake all of its parts were cancelled.

Onager

myelaine15 hours agoI don't know how a contemporary Jewish theocracy would run the show, (justice and mercy was always in the hands of the judiciary) but the kingdom of God under Christ's rule is in the future and by all scriptural indication, there wont be any "infidels" to stone. Everyone will be harmonious because that's the way everyone WANTS it to be. When you're just sick of the inequity of this kingdom, the reward is the kingdom of God. Of course, if you're not REALLY into that sort of thing, it shows in that you'll continue to strive against the only One who can deliver that reward.
xo

The thing that I'm REALLY not into is living my life according to stories which have NO evidence of being true.

I'm REALLY not into telling other people what to do with their sexual organs (unless they are in bed with me).

I'm REALLY not into controlling people in ANY way by dangling a carrot of lies in front of their desperate faces.

REALLY.

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Why go back to the Old Testament?

by Lost in the fog in

why do jws insist on still quoting from the old testament to back up some of their wacky ideas?

such as on blood, beards, abortion, tattoos, etc.

surely if the mosaic law code was nailed to the torture stake all of its parts were cancelled.

Onager

Don't forget the Sikhs! They're famous for their good works, it's a central tenet of their religion, called Seva:

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Seva

"Sikhs believe that wealth is only acceptable if it is used for other people such as giving them work or food. It is the responsibility of the rich to look after the poor."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/rs/poverty/sikhismrev2.shtml

Christians are in fact late to the party in every single area of charity. They're not unique and they're not even particularly good at it. That's the truth.

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Sex and Love, Advice? Regrets and Stories?

by Letty in

do you guys have any advice on dating worldly people?

how do i not freak out during my first date with my boyfriend?

how can i avoid being awkward?

Onager

My biggest regret is not taking up the opportunities offered to me when I was young and single. That way I might have come into my marriage with experience and fewer hang ups and so would be a better lover for my wife.

(It's been a few years now so I am improving, but DAMN my wife has had to be patient with me!)

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Update on my life as a Jehovah’s Witness Teen after running away

by Letty in

hey.

without them i felt...so...alone.

so i went back.

Onager

Hi,

I'm thinking of you and your awful situation. Stay strong! Reading your post it did occur to me that you are now in the perfect place to start a "Fade". You could start staying home for some meetings because of the stress of people judging you, but say you'll listen in (but don't!). Gradually break up the routines that they try to impose on you. Never volunteer for anything, be "sick" on ministry mornings. There are lots of posts on here about how to fade!

I had sudden pangs of anxiety and fear for years after I broke free. The armageddon fear took ages to go away particularly. It was reading up on the religion that helped me, and reading up on high control religions generally. If you watch some youtube videos on the Mormons or Scientology you'll see how many similarities there are to how they work. Then the JW's become just another high control religion and their power to control or cause fear fades away.

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What JWs do right, and what they do wrong.

by pleaseresearch in

so tonight i'm going to be having a chat with my brother and hes asked me what my thought are on the above question.. i could be wrong with what im about to say but i do think the door to door ministry is one thing they are doing right.

i think the cart work on the other hand is wrong.

just today i saw two sisters sat next to their cart with people going by.

Onager

You could say that door to door ministry was right, but surely that would only be correct if the message was true. Door to door ministry that teaches a message that is false is less Christ-like than doing nothing at all.

Jehovah's Witnesses are based on a lie, led by people who lie and who have a message which contains lies. To be at all Christ-like you cannot have anything to do with the JW's.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Onager

Just because an argument can be made for other characters in Star Wars being Mary Sue's doesn't mean that Rey is NOT a Mary Sue.

In fact Rey is a classic Mary Sue. Young Anakin is a massive Mary Sue. The two statements are not mutually exclusive.

Therefore the fact Rey is female has zero impact on her being a Mary Sue. Her youth is a factor. That combined with the lack of back story, training montages, build-up and foreshadowing all add up to the result: Mary Sue.

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Favourite female heroes in film ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

... well, obviously not rey (daisy ridley) from the latest star wars films.

she's a complete mary sue.

but, before hollywood tried to force sjw propaganda down our throats, there were lots of powerful, legit female characters in film.. here are some of my favourites .... ripley (sigourney weaver): i though this character was great.

Onager

I second the vote for Furiosa in Mad Max Fury Road. There wasn't a single second in the film where the fact she was a woman was highlighted. She was just a badass who happened to be female. I loved that! So often in stories the girl defeats the bad guy for the sole purpose of making the bad guy's defeat more complete. Not only did they lose, they lost to a girl! There's none of that nonsense in Mad Max Fury Road

Another character is Sarah Conner in Terminator 2. In Terminator 1 she's a bit of a helpless princess who's only purpose is to be saved by the strong man, but that actually makes her character development better in T2 when she gone to the edge of madness to toughen up for the fight that's to come.