Posts by Onager

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Jehovah's Witnesses May Have to Look for a New Whipping Boy Due to New Evidence About Catholic Church

by David_Jay in

“the bbc is right to recognise that the libel that catholics said and did nothing against nazism is precisely that, a collective libel.

i am grateful to them for doing so.”--lord alton of liverpool.. so reported the catholic herald (uk) on friday, 9th of december 2016 after the bbc admitted it greatly underestimated the catholic church's opposition to hitler during the shoah.. the bbc’s internal watchdog has found that a programme wrongly accused the catholic church of “silence” about the holocaust.. after pope francis’s visit to auschwitz in july, bbc one’s 6pm news bulletin carried a report which stated: “silence was the response of the catholic church when nazi germany demonised jewish people and then attempted to eradicate jews from europe.”.

in response, the cross-bench peer lord alton of liverpool and fr leo chamberlain, the former headmaster of ampleforth, made an official complaint.. nearly six months later, the bbc’s editorial complaints unit has now concluded that the item was unfair.

Onager

1. 2,000 to 5,000 deaths plus countless thousands deprived of their possessions and their homes specifically because they were Jewish or thought to be relapsed New-Christians (who had reverted to Jewish ways).

2. The inquisition was instituted under the authorisation of Pope Sixtus IV. Here's a quote:

Thus it befell that by order of the Catholic Sovereigns their Orator at
the Pontifical Court, D. Francisco de Santillana, applied to Sixtus IV
for a bull that should empower Ferdinand and Isabella to set up the
tribunal of the Inquisition in Castile, to enable them--as Bernaldez
puts it--to proceed to the extirpation of heresy “by the way of
fire”--_por via del fuego_.

I'm not particularly anti-Catholic, but to say that their history is one of promoting human rights for all people is just wrong.

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Jehovah's Witnesses May Have to Look for a New Whipping Boy Due to New Evidence About Catholic Church

by David_Jay in

“the bbc is right to recognise that the libel that catholics said and did nothing against nazism is precisely that, a collective libel.

i am grateful to them for doing so.”--lord alton of liverpool.. so reported the catholic herald (uk) on friday, 9th of december 2016 after the bbc admitted it greatly underestimated the catholic church's opposition to hitler during the shoah.. the bbc’s internal watchdog has found that a programme wrongly accused the catholic church of “silence” about the holocaust.. after pope francis’s visit to auschwitz in july, bbc one’s 6pm news bulletin carried a report which stated: “silence was the response of the catholic church when nazi germany demonised jewish people and then attempted to eradicate jews from europe.”.

in response, the cross-bench peer lord alton of liverpool and fr leo chamberlain, the former headmaster of ampleforth, made an official complaint.. nearly six months later, the bbc’s editorial complaints unit has now concluded that the item was unfair.

Onager

TTWSYF, I'm currently reading a history of the inquisition in Spain and I'm afraid that the Catholic church at that point in their history was actively depriving Jews of their basic human rights and their lives on a horrific scale.

They have more blood on their hands than the JW's, but then they had (and have) vastly more power and influence as well.

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Bible supports evolution

by anointed1 in

the thread that runs through the details of bible is evolution.. .

1) a nation believes that they are god’s chosen people and rest of the world is pagan.

when the history unfolds, the so-called chosen people go under occupation by the so-called pagans.

Onager

Evolution != evolution.

Theory != theory.

Capital letters. Very important things.

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Who would vote to disband the JW organisation?

by Half banana in

from their history, it is evident that jehovah's witnesses are just another doomsday cult.. cults are run by autocrats.

on purpose they are ideologically fixated and they demand that their devotees hold the same absolute certainty of belief without regard for evidence.

the suspension of critical thought is encouraged and by focussing on the objectives of the cult belief in a like minded community, it gives both a sense of direction within a sort of ‘family’ and a hope of paradise perfection.. the leaders have everything to gain by controlling their followers; all the income goes in their direction.. democracy has strictly no part in a running cult.

Onager

Well, yes, but it's so far from being a possibility you might as well ask who wants a solid gold toilet.

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Prince wanted Obama to ban birthdays and Christmas, according to his buddy Van Jones

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

i saw this news scrolling at the bottom of the television screen this morning.

i looked it up.

not much of a story, but it certainly has the ring of truth to it.

Onager

I don't think I'm alone in the world in thinking that a JW documentary by Kevin Smith would be really bad... for JW's!

I now have an image of Jay and Silent Bob doing cart witnessing. It's epic.

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Preaching work already done - not for now

by stockholm_Syndrome in

compare what happened during the apostolic period -col 1:23:provided, of course, that you continue in the faith, established on the foundation and steadfast, not being shifted away from the hope of that good news that you heard and that was preached in all creation under heaven.+ of this good news i, paul, became a minister.rom 16:26but has now been made manifest* and has been made known through the prophetic scriptures among all the nations according to the command of the everlasting god to promote obedience by faith;who was the preaching commission, or coming forward as a witness given to?

remembering context, audience and purpose….john 15:27;and you, in turn, are to bear witness,+ because you have been with me from the beginning.hmmm i personally wasn't with jesus from the beginning ---were you ?matt 11:1when jesus had finished giving instructions to his 12 disciples, he set out from there to teach and preach in their cities.i wasn't one of his original 12 disciples ---where you?matthew 28:16-20however, the 11 disciples went to galʹi·lee to the mountain where jesus had arranged for them to meet.

17 when they saw him, they did obeisance, but some doubted.18 jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “all authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.

Onager

Someone on here mentioned the book Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason", which I downloaded from Project Gutenberg and read. It lays out clearly a line of argument which has been at the back of my mind forever:

Only personal revelation is a valid basis for belief, anything else is hearsay.

The bible is a book written by men, interpreted by other men and then explained by yet further men from platforms and pulpits. I'm under no obligation to believe any of those men. In fact to believe, I would actually need faith in men rather than faith in god. Faith that the writers wrote the truth, faith that the interpreters did a good job and faith that the preachers have the right interpretation.

Paine puts it so much better than me! I wish I could articulate my thoughts like he does. I'd take over the world!

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Annual Cult Exit day

by stockholm_Syndrome in

does anyone here do a " annual cult exit day" at home --- we are thinking of a christmas tree with a birthday cake on top hanging with easter eggs --- listening to punk while smoking cigars ....thoughts?.

Onager

Dammit I didn't make a note of the day. Oh well, will have to celebrate every day!

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Guilt-Tripping Questions In Today's Text! (And My Replies To These Questions)

by Divergent in

jw
friends

thursday, december 8. take your stand against him, firm in the faith.—1 pet.

5:9.. to do that, we need to prepare our mind and heart, to train ourselves now to do what is right.

we do not know what our spiritual warfare may involve in the future.

Onager

punkofnice, But you can only test it using the tools they've given you.

It's like me claiming that I've dug the deepest hole in the world but you can only use my special measuring stick to see how deep it is.

Look! It doesn't even touch the bottom! Proof indeed that I have the deepest hole.

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The December Broadcast... OMG- what the heck was that?

by Sliced in

"of course not- we want to eat from clean dishes!

dishes that have been cleaned thoroughly inside and out.

" we have to be sure the things entering our minds are clean... rejecting exciting fun stuff that features sex.

Onager

The dog licks the dishes clean in our house...

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"While I love my two children very much, I feel today I should never have had them."

by running_away in

this is interesting:.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38145118.

"a whole lot of the time, i just don't like being a mother, and i generally don't fit well into this role.".

Onager

"In my view, as a dad, I think that it was too early to bring them. I think I should have party a little bit more before."

That quote is very telling I think my generation, those growing up in the 90's, has entitlement issues. We were told we were beautiful, unique snowflakes that could have whatever we wanted and not have to work very hard to get it. Having a child does not fit in with that concept. I see a lot of people (usually in the pub) who live very self-centered lives. Their desires are paramount to everything else. They can actually be great fun in a party situation but when shit gets real they are as much use as a paper hat.

Having said that though there are some people who just aren't made to be parents and some who seem to be good parent material but who don't bond with their child and for them maybe it would be better to not have children. How would you know in advance though?