I'm sure they will use this to spy on their members. It is quite scary really. I wonder if it's in part due to the jw.org push.. maybe this is their trial run for the a more national internet service. The internet after all is their biggest threat, if they can control the infomation or at least know who's looking at apostate material they can have a much greater control of their members. I can see it now: "use Jehovahs perfect internet service and stay spiritually clean".
Posts by jonza
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47Watchtower/Telecom Ownership Agreement!
by Atlantis inwatchtower-qcstelecom ownership agreement.. .
re: petition to transfer ownership of qcstelecom, inc., to watchtower bible and tract society.
http://documents.dps.ny.gov/public/common/viewdoc.aspx?docrefid=%7b57614a3f-7101-408a-8b25-b3499530db5a%7d.
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Could they become a real cult?
by HowTheBibleWasCreated ini study religions.
i never call new world religons cults.
until they become like heavsn gate etc.. the jw religions is setting itself u for this.
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jonza
I would say they already are a dangerous cult and have been for some time. There are JWs all over who are actively laying down their lives for this cult by refusing blood transfusions. Just one life lost on this policy is too many.
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All watchtowers from 1950 for download
by jonza inhttps://www.sendspace.com/file/ezml23.
i happened to stumble upon this.
it contains every wt publication as individual web pages.
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jonza
https://www.sendspace.com/file/ezml23
I happened to stumble upon this. It contains every WT publication as individual web pages. Therefore it can be used on any device. Just un-zip and open the index.html
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My JW mom is now willing to "listen" to our side...Need advice pls
by 2pink inmy husband and i (both born in jws with extended family all "in" except for one of my sisters who left when we did) left the church 5 years ago.
we did not fade, we just didn't believe it anymore, told our families so and left.
obviously, big drama in our family after this, messy feelings, etc.
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jonza
Get her to read about the FDS:
Then to skim over Matthew 25 to get context for this, get her to idenitify that it's a list of parabels.
Then get her to read Luke 12:35-48 and get her to admit it's also taking about the faithful and descreet slave. Then point out what Peter calls it in Luke 12:41Ask why a whole religion is based on a parabel? and that it's not a prophecy of any kind.
Also, based on this, why do you have to give total obeydiance to them?
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Your views and ideas on forum areas and organization?
by Simon inthis may come as a shock to some people, but the current forum structure was kind of thrown together without much real thought and then evolved a bit over time.
there are a few things that particularly grate on me and areas where i don't think the subjects work particularly well.
'friends' is a bit vague and becomes a dumping ground, news & world events vs politics & current affairs is hard to decide sometimes, child abuse is a scandal but isn't contained withing 'scandals & coverups' etc.... with a new forum platform imminent, it's a good time to solicit ideas to improve things.
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jonza
Thread subscriptions please! :)
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Corpus Linguistics - Text Analysis of All Watchtower Publications since 1800's
by objectivetruth ini've been working on a side project for a while.
the goal of the project is to create a comprehensive database of all publications throughout history.
with this database i will be able to instantly find trends in text,sentiment of writing, methods used, and scriptures emphasized.. essentially i will be able to put a word like "apostate" into my tool, and instantly receive a report showing every time the word (or similar words) has been used in all publications since 1870.. i will also be able to create reports showing word density used in publications over time.. so i'll be able to see that the word "governing body" has increased in usage 25% year over year since 1975.. or i will be able to analyze the november 2014 wt and run an algorithm that helps to determine, what the tone and motive of the writing is.. the thing that i am most excited about is the ability to instantly find every occurence of a scripture in every publication.. this will be a great tool to find flip flops in doctrine as well as inaccuracies in biblical interpretation.. i will for sure publish all interesting findings here.. .
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jonza
See PM :)
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Listening to crisis of conscience as a audio book
by foreverme inhas really made me wonder how i ever got involved with the watchtower.
it basically comes down to me just wanting to believe this delusional belief system.
millions of people wasting their lives in this way is incredible.
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jonza
Thanks!
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Involved with a JW woman
by jonza inokay so i'm dating a born-in jw woman, she's younger than me and has no kids.
i'm a christian man whos divorced with 2 kids.
we're in love and seriously want to be together.
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I agree, I want to get her to watch the Hassan video (she's not really a reader). But I will read Crisis of conscience to her. She's open to anything like that.
She has actually said many times she doesn't even want to go to her meetings at all as she really can't stand them. Her immediately family are talking to her still so she really doesn't see the point. But she was close to her cousins and aunts who are all in, so doesn't really know what to do. She admitted her and her Mom has talked together a long time ago about how they both have doubts, but neither would open up. Recently she has even said that she's been saying things to her Mom about what the Bible teaches on certain topics and asking her why it doesn't match up to WT teaching in the hope of waking her up! So she's already trying to help her family. I did I write-up on what the Bible says about shunning etc and she even showed it to her Mom, who read the whole thing.
She has interests in languages, she's fluent in spanish, english and almost in german and started learning arabic. She loves to cook and is learning how to make new things all the time. She's a full time medical assistant and loves biology and helping the sick. She's also quite into science too, we've been watching the guy who made this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxRFqM__oEU and when we got to this video, it was funny as I was able to point out the cross and the crown etc that's shown and then I opened one of the original WTs to show the same symbols, to which she replied something like: "that shows their where their roots are from then".
I told her a while back that I will never let our kids go to a single JW event and she reluctantly agreed. Though recently she actually said herself, totally out of the blue: "I really don't want our kids to go to anything to do with this religion, for their own sake; it is bad and I don't want them to ever suffer because of it". Fortunately, when she moves here, I live far enough away for her family to have almost no influence over her religion wise or our kids, so I'm hoping for the best.
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Involved with a JW woman
by jonza inokay so i'm dating a born-in jw woman, she's younger than me and has no kids.
i'm a christian man whos divorced with 2 kids.
we're in love and seriously want to be together.
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jonza
So I think this whole DF process has really helped her to wake up. She's been way more honest, and there's been so many things that she's being saying!
She's admitted to having many doubts even before I came along. She said she used to go on 'apostate' websites very often and they scared her because it sounded more like they were telling the truth than her own religion was. She never really bought into the FDS. Also, she said she felt many times they took Jesus out of the picture and replaced Him with Jehovah or themselves. She even admitted wondering if Jesus is really God.
Anyway, regarding how things stand now, we went through together the different signs of being in a cult, and she admitted they are a cult!!
She still wants to get reinstated and then just fade away. She keeps feeling like she doesn't know who to trust now, because she's been lied to her whole life. She also haaaates going to meetings, and she now hears the lies, the disgusting things they say about JAH wiping out all but them, how they have to give alll their money, all the obey crap etc. I think she really has opened her eyes. She says she hates them!
She's even now saying she wants to read the Bible together with me and pray together too!! We have been doing that almost everyday for a week now. Though she is still very sensitive when I bring up how the Bible differs to what the WT teaches. As I think it's been enough and she's done hearing about how they're bad, because she knows it already, but just wants to read the Bible to see what it really says. She also now knows she can have a relationshiop with God without them!
I know this is still a long road, but I think she's made some real progress this past few months. She's still very hurt and depressed about it all, but at least she's not giving up on God.
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Australian Government publishes on official web site the current Jehovah's Witnesses "Handling of Child Abuse" confidential letter to all bodies of elders (October 1, 2012)
by jwleaks inthe current jehovah's witnesses official child abuse handling procedure letter to all bodies of elders (october 1, 2012) has been placed into public domain by the australian (victoria) government "inquiry into the handling of child abuse by religious oganisations".. official government web site link to letter:.
http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/fcdc/inquiries/57th/child_abuse_inquiry/submissions/steven_unthank_supp_a_appendix_1.pdf.
short link:.
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jonza
Something else I found there through a site search: