Could they become a real cult?

by HowTheBibleWasCreated 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • HowTheBibleWasCreated
    HowTheBibleWasCreated

    I study religions. I never call new world religons cults. Until they become like Heavsn Gate etc.

    The JW religions is setting itself u for this. Read their recent 'light'.

    The sad part is while 2 million at best mihgt follow to WTBS toanywhere... that's 2 millions deceived persos because WE as reasonable people could see that creation etc was false... Jeblooper was false... these guys were mosre crazy then most of Christianoty and we did nothing...

    This is a possible senario theough not likely... however... there is a small chance..

    Why do we so-called apostates and infultrator (like me) stand back.. it time to slowly take more control then information

    Th GB is NOT the enemy the Writing department and the Board of Driectors are the real men... once I see and infultration and take over there I will be convinced JW's wil splinter... not before

  • Ocean1111
    Ocean1111

    Its been present for over twenty full years now. Bethel is the scriptural apostasy and the "writers" direct JW attention, for example, to everyone and everything where "the apostasy" is NOT present. The GB push the agenda for the whole.

    Now the real mastery of the operation is they use accepted Bible prophecy of various judgments, like Babylon the Great, the 8th King and the whole world system to direct JW attention AWAY from the "judgment" that "STARTS with the house of God". (1Pet4:17);

    No word on that is there?

    Now by merely re-arranging accepted prophetic forecasts of the future, in just such a diverting arrangement and misapplication, the Bethel apostate operation can now direct attention to events that will not be manifesting in actuality, but the Bethel corporate downfall, which is planned, can unfold under the cover of this well prepared veneer "theology" expectations, actually a JW "self fulfilling prophecy" for the purpose of taking Bethel down, and selling that to JWs as "prophecy fulfilling brothers!" "the end is here brothers!" "the preaching work has ended brothers, well done!".

    Bethel will be the one to end their own ministry.

    Now by the time JWs realize Christ cannot arrive UNTIL AFTER the "tribulation of those days" (Matt24:29), those geniuses will be left with sore necks staring into the sky for at least a couple years. Jesus isn't showing up for quite some time. And there was no way to have prepared this elaborate of a hoax and the premature "Jehovah's day is almost here brothers!" of 2Thess2:1-2, right at and from Bethel, without it having developed gradually (Dan8:12) SINCE the GB dictatorial coup of 1976 greatly aided this infiltrative process "already at work" for some time.

    It is too well designed to not be SYSTEMIC in the WHOLE Bethel global corporate plumbing, the billions are also "plumbed" for liquidation and seizure in the process. It is an elaborate corporate takeover, headed by the GB factional-to-full-control guidance front, aided from within and without by experts, that even has a literally perfect exit strategy devised in the re-arranged prophetic forecast all suited to divert attention from the real apostasy now, and deploy an active delusion of misapplied prophecy to cover the downfall later with the exit.

    It is so "in broad daylight" "hidden in plain sight" it would even be misleading to call this a "conspiracy theory", it is, rather, what it is, apostasy, downfall and big big booty for the racket. There is no way that developed without inside design for years while completely ignoring rampant globalization since 1990 with zero prophetic connection to world government, and that takes purposeful subversion planning and implementation. The writing, the graphics, the hypnotic mix of superficiality and repeating repeats, the front men, the org herding structure and mentality, the re-organizational financial system, the whole thing is obviously engineered and has been headed that way for forty years in overdrive.

    Thus when it does start, it will not be "the end of the world" as JWs will expect next, it will be the end of Bethel as will be very hard for JWs to accept and how it came about will also be a very big pill for JWs to swallow, but swallow it they will, they will have to - they will be left holding the EMPTY bag.

  • Balaamsass2
    Balaamsass2

    Already are.

  • Aunt Fancy
    Aunt Fancy

    Do some research by cult authorities like Steve Hassan and you will find out that the JW's are definately considered a cult. His website is Freedomofminds.com. You will find it along with the books he has written very interesting.

  • Aunt Fancy
    Aunt Fancy

    Sorry it posted twice.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Everybody's definition of "cult" is slightly different depending on context, but I think the O.P makes a valuable point, the pejorative use of the word should really be reserved for when a Movement gets really dangerous for its members, or for the Public.

    I am not so sure that the WT/JW movement is slipping down a slope toward a Jonestown/Heavens Gate scenario, I think the Management of the Scam that they call a religion have decided that two things will keep them going.

    In the first instance, much tighter control over information, and more fear of DFing. Engender maximum fear.

    The second is to appear to be more Mainstream, this has the dual benefit of making the exisitng Members feel a little more comfortable, and increasing the chance of recruiting.

    Just because the Control has become more and more rigid over the years, it does not mean they will go totally down the looney road that proper cults have in the past.

    The WT/JW movement is first and last a business, those whose comfortable life-style relies upon its existence will keep it going, and in Profit, for as long as they can.

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    Large movements do not become self-destructive cults. How big was the People's Temple? Waco? Heaven's Gate? They could all fit within one compound. They were able to be directly controlled through face-to-face meetings with their charismatic leader.

    Some JWs have a tendency to worship the org., but not to that degree. They're still living out in the world amongst non-believers so their perspective is mostly better-adjusted than those cult members. If anyone was actually indoctrinated enough to "drink the Kool-Aid", I would say good riddance to the idiots, because they'd be far more deceived than the average JW. But it won't come to that because, as Phizzy said, the GB is going to keep playing out this scam as long as they can. They don't know what else to do.

  • jonza
    jonza

    I would say they already are a dangerous cult and have been for some time. There are JWs all over who are actively laying down their lives for this cult by refusing blood transfusions. Just one life lost on this policy is too many.

  • Faithful Witness
    Faithful Witness

    HowTheBibleWasCreated:

    This is a possible senario theough not likely... however... there is a small chance..

    Why do we so-called apostates and infultrator (like me) stand back.. it time to slowly take more control then information

    Th GB is NOT the enemy the Writing department and the Board of Driectors are the real men... once I see and infultration and take over there I will be convinced JW's wil splinter... not before

    Are you suggesting that JW's would listen to information that did not come from Jehovah's mouthpiece? I know that my family members spend at least 4 hours per week at meetings, being reminded not to listen to anything from outside the walls of the Tower. That does not include the time they spend having these ideas reinforced while they ride around in cars with other JW's, all reassuring each other that they are the ONLY religion that has the TRUTH... since the world is so full of lies.

    Every attempt that I have made to enlighten my family members, has fallen flat or made things worse.

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    The Jehovah's Witness organization definitely fits the criteria of a "high control" religion. I think the word "cult" is accurate, but should not be used to describe the organization, when speaking to JW's. It is a trigger word, and suggests a sort of inevitable doom (and mass suicide) for the members.

    My parents are converts. My dad was raised evangelical, but had become worldly and hadn't attended church in decades. The story of how they ended up JW's is interesting, but pretty typical. I think my mom got baptized about a year ago, and my dad has been officially a JW for almost 3 years now.

    Statements made by my parents, that have been enough to cause alarm:

    My father (to all 6 of his children, via email): "The top priority in my life is to BE A GOOD JEHOVAH'S WITNESS. I hope you have noticed some positive changes." (I responded and challenged him to ask himself if he was serving God, or was he serving an organization).

    Also from my dad: "I don't know... they are smarter than me!" (repeated 3 times in one visit).

    When I asked him what was the difference between me following Jesus and what the Bible says, and his being baptized into the organization, he leaned back and said, "I don't know, and that is what I like about this... I don't have to think about it anymore. I don't have to judge people. Jehovah will do that! That is the beauty of this."

    My mother has answered direct questions in ways that suggest she is under some type of mind control:

    I asked her, "Do you believe that the Watchtower organization speaks for God?" -- (without taking a pause to think) She replied, "Yes, I do."

    When I saw the article from the July 15, 2013 magazine, which told them to "be prepared to obey instructions, whether they make sense from a human standpoint or not," I forwarded a copy of the article to them both (appox. June, 2013). She replied, "Don't worry. We won't drink the Kool-aid." (I challenged her and my dad to talk about what exactly they WOULD do... "You might want to think ahead, and think about what human limits you are willing to ignore.")

    After the article had been presented in September, I asked her what the reaction had been about that article and the "instructions." She said, "We are all just waiting to see what they are going to tell us to do!" (!!!! WHAT !!!!)

    They both seem to be operating under this delusion that if they live their lives for Jehovah, and always appear happy and content when they do come around us (rarely), that we will see the amazing difference in their state of being. We will "want what they have." We will all want to join the worldwide brotherhood and enjoy the fruits of being a JW. instead of having fun with our families on Saturdays, we would be so much happier, if we spent those precious hours riding around in our church clothes, knocking on the doors of empty houses!

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Yes it's a cult, yes it's dangerous, yes people commit suicide because of the cult. It's a dangerous cult. Kate xx

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