Posts by menrov

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I don't get it - Marriage in WT world

by menrov in

in wt world, a marriage is only seen (considered) as legal if it is registered in the municipality (or similar governmental organisation).

now, if you look at the scriptures, there was no requirement to have a marriage legally registered in order to be considered married.

is it not strange that the wt subjects themselves to and adopts an worldly arrangement setup but governments rules by satan when it comes to a marital status?.

Drearyweather, that is my point, it must be registered with a (local) authority. But WT always claims that they follow the scriptures. Well, for WT, you are only considered married if it is registered with some local authority. There does not exist such a requirement in the scriptures.

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I don't get it - Praying before eating while ...

by menrov in

i noticed recently.

there was an item in the news on some terrible / horrific child pornography in germany.

really disgusting to hear what these people were doing with children as young as a few months.

I noticed recently. There was an item in the news on some terrible / horrific child pornography in Germany. Really disgusting to hear what these people were doing with children as young as a few months. My wife (PIMI) could not even hear it, which I understand. 30 minutes later she prayed for her dinner. Really? God is to be thanked for the food you have but at the same time God did not act to protect these innocent and vulnerable lives?

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I don't get it - Marriage in WT world

by menrov in

in wt world, a marriage is only seen (considered) as legal if it is registered in the municipality (or similar governmental organisation).

now, if you look at the scriptures, there was no requirement to have a marriage legally registered in order to be considered married.

is it not strange that the wt subjects themselves to and adopts an worldly arrangement setup but governments rules by satan when it comes to a marital status?.

menrov

In WT world, a marriage is only seen (considered) as legal if it is registered in the municipality (or similar governmental organisation). Now, if you look at the scriptures, there was no requirement to have a marriage legally registered in order to be considered married. Is it not strange that the WT subjects themselves to and adopts an worldly arrangement setup but governments rules by Satan when it comes to a marital status?

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Received a letter from a JW today.

by smiddy3 in

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it started off as "dear friend ,as one of your neighbours" , however the postmark on the letter was from 2 townships away ?

a good twenty minute car drive away .a minor point i know.

it goes on about how she is concerned about the effects that current events are having on the welfare of the community and the corona-virus has prevented her from discussing the issues personally with me.. she then goes on to state and quote jeremiah 29:11 and then goes on to say "for more information about this promise and other questions like :.

menrov

Hi, if you are interested at all to reply, be aware you will be replying not to her but to the congregation. Therefore, if your reply will contain a disagreement, I am sure she will never receive the email. You can ask the congregation for her address or email, stating you prefer to know the individual who wrote to you and not just the impersonal congregation.

Jer. 29:11 is about the 70 year of Babylonian rule and when it's over. So, indeed, nothing to do with our times. You might invite her to find better scriptures to encourage you :-), not scriptures that are part of events that took place more than 2500 years ago.

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Beards are depicted as normal in heaven but not on earth

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | august 2020. study article 32. walk humbly and modestly with your god.

jesus is depicted in the heavens.

next to him stand some of his co-rulers.

menrov

As the WT loves to use the OT (Hebrew scriptures for them):

Lev 21:5 Priests must not have a bald spot shaved on their head, they must not shave the corner of their beard, and they must not cut slashes in their body.

Psa 133:2 It is like fine oil poured on the headwhich flows down the beard – Aaron’s beard,and then flows down his garments.

2Sa 20:9 Joab said to Amasa, “How are you, my brother?” With his right hand Joab took hold of Amasa’s beard as if to greet him with a kiss.

Jer 48:37 For all of them will shave their heads in mourning.They will all cut off their beards to show their sorrow.They will all make gashes in their hands.They will all put on sackcloth.

Isa 50:6 I offered my back to those who attacked, my jaws to those who tore out my beard;I did not hide my facefrom insults and spitting.

2Sa 10:5 Messengers told David what had happened, so he summoned them, for the men were thoroughly humiliated. The king said, “Stay in Jericho until your beards have grown again; then you may come back.”

As said, it is a controls issue based on Western (American) values and customs. Same as wearing a suit. In the middle, even today, men were using long robes. Jesus was. Same as using a tie....useless and actually, wearing a suit and tie might give a distinguished impression but at the same time, can disguise who you really are on the inside. Sales men look like that but can they always be trusted?

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Marry in white - a worldly practice

by menrov in

i was not aware but just learned that is was queen victoria who was the first to get marries in white dress.

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so, it is a worldly practice.... i assume jw's should reconsider whether they adopt / continue this worldly practice or keep away from it ... .

menrov

I was not aware but just learned that is was Queen Victoria who was the first to get marries in white dress.

So, it is a worldly practice.... I assume JW's should reconsider whether they adopt / continue this worldly practice or keep away from it ...

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Indonesian--2020 Elder Manual--Addendum--and August S-147-E!

by Atlantis in

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2020-04 indonesian--shepherd the flock of god elder manual, flock book addendum, and the 2020-august-s-147-e announcements and reminders.. .

reply below if you want me to send a link to your pm box.. .

petra!.

menrov

I would be grateful to receive this. Thanks!

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My letter of disassociation, what do you think?

by James Jack in

dear brothers, july 27, 2020. in 1919, the president of the watchtower society made a bold prediction, “millions now living will never die”.

that quotation was constantly repeated by the organization till the year 2000 when they realized that everyone in attendance at that assembly, who listened to j.r. rutherford repeat those words, are dead.. that teaching has guided my life.

statements were repeatedly made at assemblies, conventions and in print that there was no career in “this system of things” so you don’t need a job with benefits or retirement, your fulltime job is to “preach the good news”!

menrov

I would not write a letter of DA if it is to formally inform the congregation as only the elders will see the letter. I recommend to remove your religion info at the municipality/county. That is far more powerful as that information is often used by the Bureau of Statistics to track religion in a country. In some cases, it might also be used by tax offices to see if the organisation is still allowed to receive tax benefits.

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Tony Morris was right

by wolverines in

i have no love loss for the gb or religion and this is not an apologist attempt.

in fact i hate the religion and the gb.

but i watch night after night young kids who's minds have been corrupted by the propaganda and dogma that modern college's are teaching them.

menrov

Interesting Awake as it says that

"Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill a career that this system offers. Why not? Because of the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years".

This was written in 1969. A few years could mean 1975. Here is the proof that they did teach that 1975 would be the end of the world. All in "this generation"

People that do not have a higher degree will most likely endup cleaning windows or working in construction or workshops. In that environment, people are very likely exposed to political discussions, sex, and foul language.

So, if a JW is going to college or university, she/he will be exposed to other ideas and thinking. If the JW will lose his/her faith, that person should wonder how weak is his/her faith actually. Jesus spoke to all kinds of people but did not lose his faith.

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What to say to WT Publishers

by Anna Marina in

on bbc radio this morning there was a 20 minute piece on jws and the child abuse cover up.

i am already receiving reaction to it from a number of sources.

it occurred to me - if you were giving ordinary members of the public a steer on how to deal with wt publishers what would you advise?.

menrov

If knowing the name of the creator was indeed a life saving requirement, I would expect that the name would be clearly communicated, without doubts, without variations and without some dependency on one organisation, which is not free from scandals.

The scriptures say that he is a jealous god. Well, if that is true, and you are almighty, how hard would it be to protect the use of your name and to ensure every human being will know your name?

I compare it with the times that people were having multiple wives, like Abraham, David etc. If the creator did allow even his key representatives on earth to have multiple women, i can only conclude he did not mind that much. It was not that important. Well, if it was allowed that people (jews?) removed the name from the scriptures, apparently it was not that important and many generations have not heard at all of that name.
In other words, if you do not protect it, you do not value it. If I do not protect my children, my pets, my fellow humans (where I can), I do not value any of them, right?