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  Watchtower fined in Belgium

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  jehovah's witnesses in belgium have to pay €12k fine for shunning policy.

  news.

  you have probably heard of the trial going on in belgium about the shunning policy of jws.

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  menrov

  Hi Vanderhoven7, you said "Could this be a dangerous precedent?" Why is this to be considered dangerous? Personally I am happy when a judge makes it clear that religious rules are not above the law. In a country there is one set of laws that apply to all people. In that same country, you have often multiple religious organizations with their own set of rules. If these rules are above the national laws, people have no option to appeal or challenge the rules.
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  Can a person resign from being one of Jehovah's Witness?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  2. beliefs

  can a person resign from being one of jehovah’s witnesses?.

  frequently asked questions.

  a person can resign from our organization in two ways:.

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  menrov

  Just below this question about leaving, there is a question of shunning and it there it says:

  Those who were baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned. In fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest.

  The NOT in Italic is not mine but from the article.

  
  
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  Australia: Jehovah’s Witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors

  by yalbmert99 in

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  2. child-abuse

  australia: jehovah’s witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors.

  https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/03/jehovahs-witnesses-redress-scheme/.

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  menrov

  So, if the law requires people to vote, JW's are now allowed to vote? If the law prohibits preaching, JW's will obey and stop preaching?

  Or only the WT headoffices chose what to obey and what not..... money rules.
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  God defeats whole armies, but couldn't defeat '' the men in Iron chariots''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  judges 1. .

  new international version.

  israel fights the remaining canaanites.

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  menrov

  True story or not, point remains: Why killing and driving out inhabitants of a piece of land just because you want your own people to live there.

  It is like a blackmail approach: you either worship me or you will be killed.

  If Satan was / is such a bad character, the worst of all, why not kill him in order to protect "your" people?
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  Jehovah Witness cult is Anti-christ.... proof seen in the use of BCE/CE instead of AD/BC

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so being around this cult, i always found it interesting that the rest of christianity use ad/bc and the non christians use bce/ce.

  i never put two and two together.

  but, it dawned on me that once again there is hidden proof that the witness cult is and anti-christ cult.

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  menrov

  WT have changed back to BC and AD if I am not mistaken.
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  The Bible speaks of the "Unforgivable Sin" ? What is it ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do any jehovah`s witnesses or ex jehovah`s witnesses even know what that sin is ?.

  why is such a statement in the bible if its not identified what that sin is ?.

  were the authors of the book just playing with peoples heads ?

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  menrov

  Agree. If there is a sin that is unforgivable, and has impact on your future (life), you'd expect an explicit explanation of what that sin is. As this is missing, it is up to all the "sweet and loving" shepherd in the various religious organisations to define it and use that definition.
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  Mexico: 2020 Census results released; bad news for the org?

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a decade ago, the 2010 census found there were 1,561,086 jehovah's witnesses in mexico (census page > tabular data > basic questionnaire > religion).

  and according to the recently released 2020 census results, the number of mexicans identifying as such has declined by 2% to 1,530,909. both figures greatly outnumber those reported by the organization (e.g., peak publishers: 710 thousands and 874 thousands respectively), which means the former ones include children and free-riders.

  for comparison, the total population has grown by 12%, the catholic, adventist (sda) and mormon (lds) populations - by 5%, 16% and 6% respectively.

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  menrov

  I believe the difference is that WT counts those who report time, whereas a census counts those who say they belong to a religion. However those are not necessarily active. WT does not count the inactive ones, those who are POMO but when asked they are still identifying them as JW. I guess it is that this group does not want to be considered part of another Christian faith and at the same tie still believe.. Therefore, they would say to belong to JW as actually they do not.
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  "The founding of the world"

  by Yalbadaoth in

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  2. beliefs

  why are wt determined to relate the "founding of the world" to abel and "before the founding of the world" to a period before abel but after adam's sin?

  there seems like a lot of twisting of verses and words to prove a point which always makes me suspicious of their motives!

  (i have my own take on it but would like to hear others).

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  menrov

  All verses with "Foundation of the world". It is OBVIOUS :-) or EVIDENT that since the foundation of the world does not have to mean the conception and birth of the Cain and Abel. Further, WT refers to Luke 11:50, in which I ask which generation do they mean here. CLEARLY the overlapping one. Anyway, enjoy.

  Rev 13:8 and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed.

  1Pe 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was manifested in these last times for your sake.

  Luk 11:50 so that this generation may be held accountable for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world,

  Mat 13:35 This fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will announce what has been hidden from the foundation of the world.”

  Eph 1:4 For he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and blameless before him in love.

  Rev 17:8 The beast you saw was, and is not, but is about to come up from the abyss and then go to destruction. The inhabitants of the earth – all those whose names have not been written in the book of life since the foundation of the world – will be astounded when they see that the beast was, and is not, but is to come.

  Mat 25:34 Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

  Heb 4:3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my anger, ‘They will never enter my rest!’” And yet God’s works were accomplished from the foundation of the world.

  Heb 9:26 for then he would have had to suffer again and again since the foundation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the consummation of the ages to put away sin by his sacrifice.

  Joh 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, so that they can see my glory that you gave me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

  
  
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  Changed From "Disfellowshipped" to "No Longer One of Jehovah's Witnesses!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a friend is trying to figure out the approximate date or letter, which indicated a change from the wording of public announcements.. they changed from saying the person has been disfellowshipped to saying that a person was no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.. i thought it was around the time of the bulgaria scandal.. could you help us out to remember when this change took place?

  if we could remember the approximate year, we could look up all the boe's for that year and might find the letter.. many thanks!.

  atlantis!.

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  menrov

  What was the Bulgaria disaster I read on here?
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  Wife told me a tale about a letter writing experience and my BS meter was like "uhhh ya rightttttt"

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so me and my pimi wife are driving today and normally we don't talk anything about her stupid cult.

  because it will end up with me saying something and her getting p.o'ed.

  well anyways i have been trying to just ignore the bs and keep my mouth shut.

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  menrov

  The woman refused, but finally said ok

  I assume the standard JW tactic was applied .... keep pushing..

  Good story and of course, ssoooooo true