Posts by menrov

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the gaping hole in this week's weak wt study.

by waton in

for pimi pimo persons: give us one text that says those aspiring to everlasting life should not partake of the bread and wine.

in the article, the whole proposition of refusing the emblems is based on the personal experience of one brother in the 1930s.!

all jws partook.

menrov

Is Jesus not ruling already since 1914 (or around that year)? According to WT, He is ruling invisibly. So, there is no need to remember his death as he is alive and is now ruling for his people (again, according to WT). So, again, even according to their own doctrines, they should now partake or have a memorial at all.

Cor. 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, 'This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.' 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.' 26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." (1 Corinthians 11:23-26)

But hey, without the WT invented memorial season, what else do they have to feel important?

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Vicarious Liability: Court of Appeal dismisses appeal from religious organisation following sexual assault

by yalbmert99 in

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d0a1ca63-2027-4702-9f6d-3c3da5fd9c5f.

menrov

I read it and as I understand it, this seems like a big step forward. The WT is now considered liable for acts of their elders or ministerial servants as people in these roles behave and act as instructed by their organisation.

It will be very hard for the WT in future or other similar cases to claim that they are not responsible

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Newly discovered Dead Sea Scrolls with the tetragrammaton within the Greek text

by dropoffyourkeylee in

big news from israel, some previously undiscovered dead sea scrolls have been found with portions of the ot in greek.

it says the name of god is included in hebrew letters within the greek text.. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/world/middleeast/dead-sea-scrolls.html.

"the new fragments contain verses from zechariah 8:16-17, including part of the name of god written in ancient hebrew, and verses from nahum 1:5-6, both from the biblical book of the twelve minor prophets.".

menrov

I have heard it as well. Bit surprised it gets so much attention. What I find strange is:

- the caves were/are most difficult to get into. It is said, the caves were used by the people fleeing. Is this the most logical place to go to? And would you take scrolls?

- I saw a footages from people in the caves. How did the camera man/men get there?

- I have seen some so-called proof of the find. As the fragments in the US Bible Museum turned out to be fake, the photo share in the news do not say much. It is always covered with a lot of secrecy. I still do not understand why.

All in all, I am skeptical and have my doubts here. Also, why mentioning that name of God is in Hebrew very small fragments found. Why is such a comment relevant as part of the press release to the world?

And though we are only allowed to see vague pictures of the texts, why not show at least a copy of the so-called name in Hebrew? Have they already analyzed the fragments? if I am not wrong, it took many years to analyse the first discovered fragments 60 years ago. And now it seems they already know a lot in a short time. Peculiar.

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Watchtower fined in Belgium

by Vanderhoven7 in

jehovah's witnesses in belgium have to pay €12k fine for shunning policy.

news.

you have probably heard of the trial going on in belgium about the shunning policy of jws.

menrov

Hi Vanderhoven7, you said "Could this be a dangerous precedent?" Why is this to be considered dangerous? Personally I am happy when a judge makes it clear that religious rules are not above the law. In a country there is one set of laws that apply to all people. In that same country, you have often multiple religious organizations with their own set of rules. If these rules are above the national laws, people have no option to appeal or challenge the rules.

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Can a person resign from being one of Jehovah's Witness?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

can a person resign from being one of jehovah’s witnesses?.

frequently asked questions.

a person can resign from our organization in two ways:.

menrov

Just below this question about leaving, there is a question of shunning and it there it says:

Those who were baptized as Jehovah’s Witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned. In fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest.

The NOT in Italic is not mine but from the article.

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Australia: Jehovah’s Witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors

by yalbmert99 in

australia: jehovah’s witnesses to join redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/03/03/jehovahs-witnesses-redress-scheme/.

menrov

So, if the law requires people to vote, JW's are now allowed to vote? If the law prohibits preaching, JW's will obey and stop preaching?

Or only the WT headoffices chose what to obey and what not..... money rules.

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God defeats whole armies, but couldn't defeat '' the men in Iron chariots''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

judges 1. .

new international version.

israel fights the remaining canaanites.

menrov

True story or not, point remains: Why killing and driving out inhabitants of a piece of land just because you want your own people to live there.

It is like a blackmail approach: you either worship me or you will be killed.

If Satan was / is such a bad character, the worst of all, why not kill him in order to protect "your" people?

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Jehovah Witness cult is Anti-christ.... proof seen in the use of BCE/CE instead of AD/BC

by goingthruthemotions in

so being around this cult, i always found it interesting that the rest of christianity use ad/bc and the non christians use bce/ce.

i never put two and two together.

but, it dawned on me that once again there is hidden proof that the witness cult is and anti-christ cult.

menrov

WT have changed back to BC and AD if I am not mistaken.

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The Bible speaks of the "Unforgivable Sin" ? What is it ?

by smiddy3 in

do any jehovah`s witnesses or ex jehovah`s witnesses even know what that sin is ?.

why is such a statement in the bible if its not identified what that sin is ?.

were the authors of the book just playing with peoples heads ?

menrov

Agree. If there is a sin that is unforgivable, and has impact on your future (life), you'd expect an explicit explanation of what that sin is. As this is missing, it is up to all the "sweet and loving" shepherd in the various religious organisations to define it and use that definition.

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Mexico: 2020 Census results released; bad news for the org?

by Corney in

a decade ago, the 2010 census found there were 1,561,086 jehovah's witnesses in mexico (census page > tabular data > basic questionnaire > religion).

and according to the recently released 2020 census results, the number of mexicans identifying as such has declined by 2% to 1,530,909. both figures greatly outnumber those reported by the organization (e.g., peak publishers: 710 thousands and 874 thousands respectively), which means the former ones include children and free-riders.

for comparison, the total population has grown by 12%, the catholic, adventist (sda) and mormon (lds) populations - by 5%, 16% and 6% respectively.

menrov

I believe the difference is that WT counts those who report time, whereas a census counts those who say they belong to a religion. However those are not necessarily active. WT does not count the inactive ones, those who are POMO but when asked they are still identifying them as JW. I guess it is that this group does not want to be considered part of another Christian faith and at the same tie still believe.. Therefore, they would say to belong to JW as actually they do not.