Posts by HeyThere

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

HeyThere

I have not read all the responses but will share my thoughts on the matter.

I was raised christian, and went to a methodist church in my youth. As a kid, and young adult, yes I believed in God and respected religion in general. As I got older, more educated, more experienced in the reality of life...well, I started believing that no all powerful God would allow such atrocities to happen. I began to recognize the control religion yields over people...and all the atrocities done in the name of religion...and I became agnostic.

I still consider myself agnostic...I do not believe in the bible God...the bible just doesn't make any sense. So much crazy stuff...I believe there is a better chance of ancient aliens theories being true rather than bible god.😜😲

Religion can help some people be better people...like they need those beliefs to guide them...but most people don't need religion to be good people in general.

Humans are curious by nature. We like having reasons for why things happen. God fills that purpose.

The bible is...disgusting. there are some great lessons in there about treating people kindly...but it's mixed in with examples of treating people horribly, as well.

Angels, and God, for that matter, are given human traits...such as the angels falling in love and making babies with human women...or God arguing with Moses about smiting down the people...shoot, God has a temper that borders on jealous, murderous rage...

...and why would all of humanity suffer because 2 people who were perfect (and didn't have knowledge of bad) did something...bad?!?! How did they know it was bad if they didn't have that knowledge?

So, no, I don't believe in God. I believe in the possibility of a creator, but not one anything like the bible tells us.

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My Mother Died Two Weeks Ago

by Perry in

jw
friends

none of my jehovah's witness relatives called to tell me or my family.

just found out this morning.

HeyThere

I'm sorry. That is just wrong. Sorry for your loss.

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Cedars leaked letter requested to be taken down by WTBTS

by umbertoecho in

i don't know if this is already posted so sorry people if it is.

cedars site has had a request to take down the leaked letter regarding changes to the theocratic ministry school and other issues.. the reason given by wt is that it is a "copyright" issue.

of course this validates the letters authenticity even more.. have a good day or night people.

HeyThere

He said that just because a letter or other publication is made available to the public doesn't mean witnesses should read it but should instead remain obedient to the wishes of mother not to read it.

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Cedars leaked letter requested to be taken down by WTBTS

by umbertoecho in

i don't know if this is already posted so sorry people if it is.

cedars site has had a request to take down the leaked letter regarding changes to the theocratic ministry school and other issues.. the reason given by wt is that it is a "copyright" issue.

of course this validates the letters authenticity even more.. have a good day or night people.

HeyThere

The letter is very real and was acknowledged as such by an elder posting on jw talk who was going off on other posters who read it and other leaked documents ts saying that he is disappointed by the fact that a bethel it released this confidential letter as well as that other witnesses have read that and the documents provided to the ARC, such as the shepherd the flock book. It was quite an entertaining rant. But definitely confirmed the legitimate nature of the letter

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The Org is terrified of apostates

by SecretSlaveClass in

i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

HeyThere

I will also add, during this final study, lead sister made several comments about my needing to avoid "apostate sites"...which I simply reminded her (multiple times) that the questions I had raised were from wtbts publications, and even brought out a few of the older pubs I had obtainted for them to see. But she was very very focused on apostate sites, like she couldn't accept this was coming from their own literature.

I was never baptized, I married an inactive jw who, a decade after marriage, decided to go active again. I went along, but soon realized something was amiss. It really hit home when I was going to have major surgery and was overwhelmed with all the anti blood stuff, the sister brought me the blood video and we watched it while eating popcorn. The video is such a fear mongering, biased thing the alarms were blaring. That is what started my research and then withdrawal from the jws. Elders talked to my husband a few times but never approached me at all to talk about my discoveries. I stopped going to meetings altogether over a year ago. Still working on helping my daughter be free.

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The Org is terrified of apostates

by SecretSlaveClass in

i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

HeyThere

SG,

Hats off to you. I think you handled this very well. Definitely showing those who leave wtbts are not "foaming at the mouth" and for one of the elders to bring up Beth sarim...well, wow.

When I had my last "study" with the sisters I was studying with, one of the past wt teachings I mentioned that did not sit well with me was how black people would turn to white people when they were "perfected" in the "new system." I read to them the actual quote. A bit later, the sister leading the study excused herself to go to the bathroom, and the other one told me, in nearly a whisper, "I would like to read that and see what that was all about!" We started to discuss a bit further when the bathroom door opened and she quickly changed the subject. Clearly, she didn't want to share her interest in finding out more about my research while lead sister was in the room.

Such an atmosphere of fear.

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The Org is terrified of apostates

by SecretSlaveClass in

i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

HeyThere

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/jehovahs-witness/

Interesting bit of info

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The Org is terrified of apostates

by SecretSlaveClass in

i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

HeyThere

Looks like 2004 on my phone. Do you have a link to that? Then u can actually see where it's from.

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The Org is terrified of apostates

by SecretSlaveClass in

i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

HeyThere

Don't know why my post did that, but I'll try again. JWs are hardly shrinkingthecatholics. Jws have slow growth, most baptisms are born in or other family members of jws...around 8m members worldwide...catholics are 1.2 BILLION world wide.

Oh, look at what else they got...

"In the field of education, the Catholic Church runs 71,188 kindergartens, 95,246 primary schools and 43,783 secondary schools. Charity and healthcare centres in the world run by the Church are 115,352. "

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The Org is terrified of apostates

by SecretSlaveClass in

i knew apostasy was a serious concern for the org, but until i watched this video, i had no idea how afraid they actually were.

all this guy wants is to do is not turn in his fs hours and immediately they (elders) set about drilling him about who are what influenced his decision, as if he was incapable of making his own (which as the elders confirm, in the org is highly discouraged).

they are convinced he has been communicating with apostates or visiting apostate web sites.

HeyThere

Jws are like the red headed step child of religion, you may not like to hear that Simon but it's true. The jws are like a drop in a bucket compared to the Catholic numbers...what jws have like 8 million members...catholics have over 1.2 billion...hmmmm

For example

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/12/31/number_of_catholics_growing_throughout_the_world/1116557