Posts by outbutnotdown

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My ex-wife/ex-mother-in-law hired a thug to "hurt" me

by outbutnotdown in

jw
friends

i was out at the local pub on monday night and a big guy came up to me and wanted to "talk" to me.

as i went to see what he wanted, i made eye contact with the bouncer so that he knew that i wasn't completely cofortable with the situation.

the guy started off by saying that my ex-wife has been complaining that i have been harrassing her and that it's getting bad enough that she has to move out of town.

outbutnotdown

Avishai,

I appreciate your advice and consideration for my welfare and in no way do I condone or respect what these guys were about to do. I had met K. a few times through a friend, but I had no idea that he was capable of doing what he has since admitted he was prepared to do.

However, in comparison to my ex mother-in-law, he's a saint. Think about it. I am the father of her grandchildren and she has tried to have me framed for sexually assaulting my child and then, when that didn't work, she resorted to trying to have me hurt or worse. She also admitted to K. that she is planning to frame me for something else, since I SUPPOSEDLY got away with the sexual assault thing. And it seems that her only real motive is that I have prevented my children from being raised as a JW. At the same time, K. has basically prevented the other people from doing what he was about to do. I know it doesn't make it right but he's a better ally than the grandmother of my children is to me.

Then we get to the fear of what he might have done to me if I go against what he says. If I went behind his back, after, IN HIS OPINION, he has looked out for me, I'm sure he would get back at me, after the sentence or whatever. HIS PERCEPTION of my treatment of him is far more important than my idea of what is just.

I'm out of money, but I think I will get a free half-hour consultation with a lawyer. A lawyer might have a better idea of other options I may have.

B.

106

Does Belgium Have it Right About JWs?

by ezekiel3 in

us criticises religious .

discrimination in belgium

source: expatica (belgium) http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=11964&name=us+criticises+religious+freedom+in+belgium.

outbutnotdown

Heathen,

You are right!! I am not a doctor. That's why I suggested that you go to see one, but while you are there, looking into whether you are paranoid delusional, it seems like you should get some help with your anger, too, especially towards women, since you seem a little too comfortable blaming this entire Belgium government action on "some silly housewife".

B.

106

Does Belgium Have it Right About JWs?

by ezekiel3 in

us criticises religious .

discrimination in belgium

source: expatica (belgium) http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=11964&name=us+criticises+religious+freedom+in+belgium.

outbutnotdown

Czar,

My, my, my, my, my............... Not once did I suggest that we should ban the JW's or any other religion. I am in complete agreement with your opinion that it would only push them further into their shell, causing them to shout even louder that they are the chosen ones. When organizations use circular reasoning, like the dubs do, (i.e. we (WTBTS) are teaching radical teachings, that the rest of society feels is unsafe and unfair for innocent children, for example, but that we have proven is what God wants, and when they persecute us it proves even more that we are the chosen religion, since God has also said (out of context) that his true followers would be persecuted) it only reinforces what, IMO is delusional thinking.

I am the best looking guy in the world and every person who thinks otherwise is just jealous........ is that likely?.... absolutely not, but that is basically the crux of the JW (and other high-control religions) teaching.

The main point that I am trying to make about this whole Belgian thing is that they are dealing with these high-control religions pretty well and pretty fairly. It's like the theory that a lot of people say that governments should legalize drugs (at least relatively safe ones) and we could use the tax from it, to better the rest of the country in other ways. Better, since people are going to use drugs anyway, for the majority of the people to benefit from the profits, rather than just the few "criminals" who profit from it now.

If religions, by their basic tenents, seem willing to take freedoms away from their followers, then why shouldn't the gov't take tax advantages, for example, away from them?

B.

106

Does Belgium Have it Right About JWs?

by ezekiel3 in

us criticises religious .

discrimination in belgium

source: expatica (belgium) http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=11964&name=us+criticises+religious+freedom+in+belgium.

outbutnotdown

Czar,

You're an interesting character. You take things completely out of context, or else just don't read the whole story, or something. You quote, that I said God gave us freedom of religion when in fact I was just repeating your thoughts. Don't group me in with yours, please.

God (or whatever), did not give us the inalienable right to wrship however we choose. He gave us the free thought process that when we are told to worship a certain way, to judge others harshly, to hit our kids, to not take blood.... etc., etc., etc., that we are still able to see that this is NOT the best way to do things and to leave the situation. Just because other JW's wish to continue to judge us, doesn't meant that we have to accept that as being anything other than a weakness that they have not overcome.

To quote Jesus, (sort of), 'I am no part of the JW world (or any other org. whose basic premise is to control people, with negative consequences), just as my father is no part of this world.'

I agree to a certain extent, that the JW's, for example, do show their true colours in the press, etc., but I think we need to do more than just sit idly by and allow them to slowly lose respect, even within their own ranks. How many people have to, at best, live their lives without fully being free and open-minded and loving unconditionally? That "half living" is as sad as dying, IMHO.

B.

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And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery:

by myelaine in

rev.

verse 18 .

and the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.

outbutnotdown

LT,

I am not normally in agreeent with you on some things, and, well, I guess I'm not here either..... lol...

I think Michelle is making it perfectly CLEAR what happens when people supposedly become "Spirit-filled Christians"..

Keep it up, Michelle!!! Through you, we will learn even more about the way of the truth.

B.

106

Does Belgium Have it Right About JWs?

by ezekiel3 in

us criticises religious .

discrimination in belgium

source: expatica (belgium) http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=11964&name=us+criticises+religious+freedom+in+belgium.

outbutnotdown

Xena,

Was that in the article? I couldn't get any more than what Ezekiel3 had copied, to come up. If they went to that extreme to say that then that is a concern as well, for sure, but I still think that it is OK for them to make public the concerns they have about other more extreme religions, like Jw's, Mormons and Scientologists.

Heathen,

This may sound harsh, but have you gone to a doctor to ask whether you are a "paranoid delusional" person? The rest of the world is not out to "get the Americans". Sheesh!!!!

B.

106

Does Belgium Have it Right About JWs?

by ezekiel3 in

us criticises religious .

discrimination in belgium

source: expatica (belgium) http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=11964&name=us+criticises+religious+freedom+in+belgium.

outbutnotdown

Czar,

You seem to see things in absolutes. Freedom of religion does not have to be altered by banning the more extreme religions. Somebody else made a good point, that maybe they should just tax certain ones. I mean think about it; the JW's would love it..... look at how we are being persecuted now.... they are alienating us from mainstream religion, so we must be the ONE TRUE RELIGION!!!....(they would have to find some other story to tell their followers about why the Mormons, Scientologists, etc. are also being taxed/alienated, but I'm sure they could figure out some way to DENY that). In the meantime, we would have their tax dollars to solve legitimate problems like healthcare, etc.

To use an example, some people could complain that they got their driver's licence, so they should be able to drive however they want........ the gov't doesn't need to BAN people from driving, instead they make rules, that, based on their severity, if you break them , you begin to PROVE to the rest of society that you don't deserve the RIGHT to drive anymore. The gov't, during that time was smart enough to train peoples' minds that "driving is a privilege". (No one ever complains when a privilege is taken away... only when a right is. They should begin to train people to understand that freedom of religion is a privilege as well and that, based on that religion's fairness to society, that religion's judgement of what is appropriate will be altered, if need be.

And, to be honest, Czar, it surprises me that you are suggesting that God gave us freedom of religion!!!!! Gary Buss made a good point.......... God or whatever system we want to base our existence on, gave us free thought.......... religion tells us that it has to be within certain guidelines, BUT SOCIETY as a whole, ultimately decides if those BEHAVIOURS are good or fair for the world.

God bless America...........................PLEASE!!!! teehee....

B.

47

A challenge to all atheist?

by meggidon555 in

i love rpgs .

here is the setting.

a time ago proof beyond a shadow of a dought that god does not exist was released to the world.

outbutnotdown

I was trying to be nice to Meggidon, because it was kind of apparent that he is a little challenged but he seems to putting up the gloves first, SO!!!!!!!!!..... lol......

What is your religious affiliation Meg? What are your insinuations regarding atheists? I am not one, but I am curious to read what you are suggesting.

Thanks, B.

106

Does Belgium Have it Right About JWs?

by ezekiel3 in

us criticises religious .

discrimination in belgium

source: expatica (belgium) http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=11964&name=us+criticises+religious+freedom+in+belgium.

outbutnotdown

Czar,

I'm sure you have other viewpoints in other areas that I would be in agreement with, and others that your objectivity would be more advanced than mine. But on this one, I still think that you are rationalizing something that shouldn't really be rationalized. I mean, sure, the world is, by nature, imperfect and I don't expect things to run perfectly, but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't FIX things that are broken, and in general, try to make it a better place.

Again, without intending to insult any individual Americans here, I think the gun thing has been broken for a long time. Crack dealers in Canada...... (and yes, we do have them here too) have a lot fewer guns to bring along to their drug deals, thus leading to fists doing the damage instead of bullets.

It's a lot easier for me to sit here and suggest WHEN the U.S. should have adapted their gun laws, but at some point they should have been able to see that the "Constitutional right to bear arms" was doing more HARM than GOOD, and at a point in time close to that, it should have been amended. Sometimes when people (or gov't) miss an opportunity to correct a misjudgement, they seem to go into denial about it and eventually try to pretend that there never was ever that opportunity for correction.

I've seen that thing in my personal life and in bigger things, and despite the fact that you think I was insulting you about the JW correlation.... I'll say it again, because it is relevant...... democratic countries have made the mistake for years....... that they have been so worried about "freedom of religion" that they allow organizations to prosper that by their very existence, steal this same freedom that was intended to be granted in the first place. The WTBTS, and many other extreme religions are perfect examples of this.

B.

47

A challenge to all atheist?

by meggidon555 in

i love rpgs .

here is the setting.

a time ago proof beyond a shadow of a dought that god does not exist was released to the world.

outbutnotdown

To a nation that is Atheist or Christian or Muslim or JW or whatever, whatever, whatever....... I would say the same thing.... actually, no offense but I still don't understand enough what you are saying to make an intelligent decision...... sorry

B.