Posts by outbutnotdown

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Judge fines mother $10,000 for 'alienation'...

by orbison11 in

this is a bit of a long post, but couldn't copy addy, .

it is good for the canadian parents here who are fighting to see their children and they are having their children's minds poisoned by the custodial parent.... a good case in canada.

you are the custodial parent.

outbutnotdown

Gespro, thanks!!!!

Regarding the jail thing, you might find my story interesting.

Where I live, there is a "Zero-tolerance Policy". Basically, if a woman says a man did something to them, they are believed, the man is arrested, and the man must prove his innocence. In most cases, this works well, as the woman does not have to fear the man being let off by the cop and doing even more harm to her. It keeps her safe.

However, it can be used the other way around. Three weeks after we broke up, my ex lied to the police and had me thrown in jail. (Not coincidentally, it was on what would have been our tenth anniversary.) That later got thrown out. Two and a half months later, she tried again. The police didn't believe her this time and even warned her that if she tried it again, she could be charged with criminal harassment. Eight days later she filed papers with the court to get a restraining order on me. $5,000.00 later, that got thrown out.

So, the police no longer believed her and the Judges didn't believe her, so she hired a biker-affiliated guy to "beat me up". When the biker-affiliated guy got my side of the story before he "beat me up" he told them "nothing is going to happen to xxxx xxxxxxxx. because he didn't believe her either. She/her parents got angry and said, "I want him dead!! I want him dead!!". The biker let them know that he is now "protecting me" and if anything happens to me, they will pay......... and I am living happily ever after.

Well, the "happily ever after" is not so easy, but eventually EVERY level of the law realizes where the problems lies.

But, it is amazing to what lengths people will go to get back at their exes, a great deal of it at the expense of the kids.

Brad

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Culture or the lack thereof

by Justin in

to belong to a culture is part of being human.

yet, jws and evangelicals are told to avoid being contaminated by the secular culture.

the evangelical movement, however, has created a subculture of its own.

outbutnotdown

Justin,

I think you make a very valid point as to why the JW's are generally so spiritually unfulfilled. For the first time ever, I think, I disagree somewhat with Narkissos' post.

Whoever lives in a subculture knows that there is a wider world around and has to use different sets of codes and references. As JWs we didn't speak and behave with "worldly people" as we did with other JWs. Which means that we were conscious of the main culture and able to adapt to it (although awkwardly sometimes): we actually belonged to it too .

This opinion is only from my personal experience and from examining JW's since I have been out. But I feel that while we (JW's) are somewhat conscious of the "main" culture, our firm belief that our "subculture" is absolutely correct does not even make us fully capable of belonging to the "main" culture. The "main" culture exists only to prove more fully that our "subculture" is correct.

My point is that, although, in essense we did of course exist within this "main" culture, the complete lack of acknowledgement of any good coming from it, is what has created such unhappy, dysfunctional human beings who are/were JW's.

By the way, I'm in the line with those dysfunctional ex-JW's.... I figured out the happiness part.... but integrating "normally" with the "main" culture is not quite so easy. teehee

Brad

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What was your turning point?

by jeanniebeanz in

jw
friends

what was it that was the real eye opener for you?.

for me, it was after watching the video, "jehovah's witnesses; a non-prophet organization," and the point on how the org puts itself in a place between jesus and mankind.

a position which does not exist scripturally.

outbutnotdown

Ten and a half years ago, when my oldest child was born (I was df'd but I had been trying to go back and I was still very "in" mentally) my brother called me up and said that since I was the head of the household, if I never got reinstated before Armageddon, my child would die.

I knew then and there that I could never serve this "Jehovah" God. 607 BCE, the "generation" change, the abuse cover-ups, etc.,after that, just confirmed to me that I had made the right decision.

Brad

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Green Bible/Black Bible...?

by Gill in

jw
friends

can any one tell me what the 'significant differences' are between the old green bible and new black bible?.

having been a jw for almost forty years i never knew of a difference except that my mum is the only jw i know who still uses one.

is it possible that i could show her anything 'interesting'?

outbutnotdown

My friend who was on a pioneering holiday in some remote Scottish island, told me they had to stop using the green bible. The locals apparently would only speak to them if their bibles were black.

I'm sure that some people may have not liked the Green Bible, but this was not the reason they switched the Bibles to being black (although I'm sure the GB just loves it when people believes these Urban Legends). Other than the Genesis time period covered being switched, as I mentioned earlier, I'm sure they had other BIGGER motives than people not liking the colour. Their naivete of believing in the literal 7,000 year creative day (leading to the 1975 fiasco) was something they had to distance themselves from, but I am hoping Alan F or others here can expose other reasons. Brad (By the way, I also heard that the Irish people want the Green Bibles back..... lol)

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JW girls and me

by Dustin in

jw
friends

i think i still might have a complex.

so i'm gonna tell my story so you can all laugh at me.

dustin

outbutnotdown

eljefe,

I can relate to what you are saying. I've never really been able to figure out why some guys who treat women with little or no respect seem to attract a lot of women. It does seem, though, from observing this for quite some time, that a lot of these girls who are attracted to the "bad boys" are a little messed up themselves and can turn on the guy later, in a bad way.

To find someone who is good for a happy, long-term relationship I still think you need to look for the good-hearted ones. Good things comes to those who wait.

I learned that the hard way the first time. Patience, my friend, will pay off.

Brad

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if (BLANK) were a Jdub, he would...

by in a new york bethel minute in

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friends

remember that show doogie howser, m.d.?..

well if he was a jdub, he would have gotten baptized at 4, started pioneering right away because it's the first privelege u can receive when u get baptized... he'd be in bethel by the time he's 6. at age 8 he'd be an elder.

by the time he was 11 he'd be a c.o.

outbutnotdown

I can't think of any right now, but I found it funny how Doogie would become a district overseer in 12 1/2 years but there would still be a 30 year wait to make the next step up to GB member.

That says a lot, I think.

Brad

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Judge fines mother $10,000 for 'alienation'...

by orbison11 in

this is a bit of a long post, but couldn't copy addy, .

it is good for the canadian parents here who are fighting to see their children and they are having their children's minds poisoned by the custodial parent.... a good case in canada.

you are the custodial parent.

outbutnotdown

Alan F,

I know exactly what you are saying regarding women getting away with a LOT more, first hand unfortunately.

It's only been two years for me and 11 visits to the court, but my ex is just as guilty as this mother of trying to poison my children's minds. Fortunately I still get to see them a bit after winning all of these battles. They would be way worse off if they didn't get to see me at all, like this father, for seven years.

I will get sole custody by this summer (my ex's crazy actions have guaranteed that, but she still has her right to make it go to trial). Men have a right to go to trial but unless the woman is nuts they don't get the kids.

The Judges have sped up the whole process for me and the kids. But still, much more can be done to reward good dads. The first important step, IMO, should be that mom AND dad are both considered to be fit parents. If the mother is "better" than the father let it be proven, rather than ASSUMED, like it is now.

That's gotta be worth at least four cents.

Brad

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Green Bible/Black Bible...?

by Gill in

jw
friends

can any one tell me what the 'significant differences' are between the old green bible and new black bible?.

having been a jw for almost forty years i never knew of a difference except that my mum is the only jw i know who still uses one.

is it possible that i could show her anything 'interesting'?

outbutnotdown

BTW, they passed off that new Bible as being a great "reference tool" and all that crap. The biggest reason why they brought it out and pretty much eliminated the Green one was so that no one could see how their own screwed up belief about the universe was only 48,000 years old was the very reason that they also predicted the 1975 date that they blamed on the "weak" ones.

This one major belief flaw of theirs was the main reason that I never went back to those nutjobs. Well, that and the "worldly" people are just SO much more fun.

Brad

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Green Bible/Black Bible...?

by Gill in

jw
friends

can any one tell me what the 'significant differences' are between the old green bible and new black bible?.

having been a jw for almost forty years i never knew of a difference except that my mum is the only jw i know who still uses one.

is it possible that i could show her anything 'interesting'?

outbutnotdown

If you're talking about the 1961 Green Bible that was phased out in 1984 with the newer one, then I have one major difference to tell you about. In the back of the Bibles, you will find the "Table of the Books of the Bible".

In the column "Time Covered" for Genesis, the Green Bible says (going from memory.. don't have one anymore) "46, 026 B.C.E to 1657 B.C.E". The newer one says "In the beginning to 1657 B.C.E."

The reason for this is that the lughead JW's thought that the universe was created in six 7,000 year periods. This is also why they thought 1975 was going to be the end of "this old system." It was the 6,000th year (in their opinion) of man's existence and Jesus' 1,000 year reign was going to coincide with yet another of God's 7,000 year periods.

Have fun with that one when you tell your mother.

Brad

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JW girls and me

by Dustin in

jw
friends

i think i still might have a complex.

so i'm gonna tell my story so you can all laugh at me.

dustin

outbutnotdown

Upside/down's post just reminded me of something. I got df'd at the same time (sex before marriage) as my, then fiancee. Within six months we had gotten married and she was reinstated. There was one brother in particular that asked my wife out on a date, more than once. (He, and everybody else in the hall knew we were married.)

I figured the elders should know about this "brother" who would do such a thing as to interfere with a marriage, so I went to the nicest elder I knew at the time and told him.

To my surprise, he not only knew about it but he was going to do NOTHING about it!!! I was SHOCKED!!!!

So to answer your question Dustin, yes JW girls (and boys) are very different from non-JW's. When they live in an environment that allows someone to "interfere" in a marriage because the husband is df'd, you can see why.

Brad