Posts by outbutnotdown

my roommate, however, had a friend who committed suicide a couple of weeks ago and she just broke up with her boyfriend and he was saying things similar to what the guy who committed suicide awhile back was saying just before he took his life.

it is freaking her out.

outbutnotdown

Flower,

now, for a brief moment i will stoop to insults.

you're wierd.

Thank you for the compliment..... you meant wired, right? Or I could think that you meant to type weird...... Hmmmmmmm.......... since life is what I make it, I'll stick to wired. Thanks again.

Brad

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Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

outbutnotdown

LT, EW, ozzie and DD,

I didn't intend to have my original question as repeated by Gumby to be swept under the rug. I still think it is a valid question in this discussion you are carrying on:

Why did God not create Adam and Eve at the same time? Genesis 2:18 says (my apologies for using he NWT... ):

And Jehovah God went on to say: "It is not good for the man to continue by himself. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him."

At what point did it all become good? At what point did God become perfect in his judgement? If Eve was a complement, Adam was surely not considered to be whole before Eve was created.

What gives? At what part of the Biblical story am I to consider God to be infallible? Pretend that I want to really be a good Christian... .... how would you answer this to a straying Christian?

Brad

774

Freedom to Choose God

by UnDisfellowshipped in

come to the wedding.

' for i say to you that god is able to raise up children to abraham from these stones.

outbutnotdown

LT,

You said:

Well, you're welcome to try, but it's hard to discredit something that someone has personally experienced. It's like me trying to tell you your mother doesn't exist!

To me , there is no correlation to a 100% proven fact....(and yes, I asked my mommy again and she said that I am her child...... you may know that that is bullsh*t, since my mommy hasn't spoken to me in years, but the point is still valid... )..... and faith. I respect your faith and your freedom to believe it, however, when it comes right down to it, your faith is no more provable than my lack of faith, (as you would consider it.)

Brad

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Suicide.... how do you view people who "attempt" it?

by outbutnotdown in

jw
friends

anybody who has read my other recent posts...... don't worry, this is absolutely not about me feeling that way... i'm very happy, thanks..... .

my roommate, however, had a friend who committed suicide a couple of weeks ago and she just broke up with her boyfriend and he was saying things similar to what the guy who committed suicide awhile back was saying just before he took his life.

it is freaking her out.

outbutnotdown

Brenda,

Thank you for your comments. I agree wholeheartedly. My question of "who is responsble?" was not intended to suggest that any one person or persons is/are responsible. It was intended to elicit a response much like your last one.

Suicide is a very sad part of human life, but it won't ever go away..... it just is...... however, the more we try to prevent it from happening and the more we understand those who try it and those who are unwitting victims, the better we are as a society.

Thank you very much for what you have shared with us here.

Brad

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Suicide.... how do you view people who "attempt" it?

by outbutnotdown in

jw
friends

anybody who has read my other recent posts...... don't worry, this is absolutely not about me feeling that way... i'm very happy, thanks..... .

my roommate, however, had a friend who committed suicide a couple of weeks ago and she just broke up with her boyfriend and he was saying things similar to what the guy who committed suicide awhile back was saying just before he took his life.

it is freaking her out.

outbutnotdown

Flower,

No, I am not a "flip-flopper". There is a HUGE difference between SOME and ALL.

DY's statement had some truth to it because it was not an ABSOLUTE statement. The way that Dede worded it, as an ABSOLUTE, made it virtually impossible to be true. I am not laying blame on Dede. I am simply saying that ABSOLUTE statements leave themselves open to criticism, since the person who posted the ABSOLUTE statement could not have possibly experienced every angle. To be perfectly honest, when I used the word SOLELY in my statement earlier I was guilty of making it an absolute statement and I attempted to explain how I made an error in judgement when I did so.

Tell me if you feel that I am wrong, but I haven't seen you admit that you made an error in judgement yet here, without excusing it with some other person's "wrong" questioning tactics.

Brad

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Suicide.... how do you view people who "attempt" it?

by outbutnotdown in

jw
friends

anybody who has read my other recent posts...... don't worry, this is absolutely not about me feeling that way... i'm very happy, thanks..... .

my roommate, however, had a friend who committed suicide a couple of weeks ago and she just broke up with her boyfriend and he was saying things similar to what the guy who committed suicide awhile back was saying just before he took his life.

it is freaking her out.

outbutnotdown

Flower, you said:

I qualified an earlier post of mine by saying that I hadnt had time to read through all the responses. I was commenting solely on the question in the original post which asked how we view people who attempt or commit suicide. As I already said my answer would be different if you asked about those 'left behind'. I can and do sympathize with both sides.

Yet, that statement was said in order to try to suggest that this one was not said in poor judgement:

Most support assistance is in place to prevent the act from happening in the first place which IMO makes a lot more sense than saying 'forget about them, they are as good as dead anyway but after they do it lets have lots more support for those left behind'. That is in essence what your previous post mentioned

The statement above is a complete contradiction to the other one quoted. In no way can you suggest that this second quote was based SOLELY on the topic posted. Absolutely nothing had been said about prevention before you said that. That gross insinuation and accusation was yours alone and YOU need to take responsibility for it.

Denial does not eliminate a prior error in judgement.

Brad

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Suicide.... how do you view people who "attempt" it?

by outbutnotdown in

jw
friends

anybody who has read my other recent posts...... don't worry, this is absolutely not about me feeling that way... i'm very happy, thanks..... .

my roommate, however, had a friend who committed suicide a couple of weeks ago and she just broke up with her boyfriend and he was saying things similar to what the guy who committed suicide awhile back was saying just before he took his life.

it is freaking her out.

outbutnotdown

Dede, you said:

I do not for one second think that all people who FAIL at a suicide attempt are " just making a cry for help".

I can't agree with you more. The words ALL and JUST, make it virtiually impossible, and, IMO falls into that category.

This brings me to the next topic..... who is responsible?

Brad

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Suicide.... how do you view people who "attempt" it?

by outbutnotdown in

jw
friends

anybody who has read my other recent posts...... don't worry, this is absolutely not about me feeling that way... i'm very happy, thanks..... .

my roommate, however, had a friend who committed suicide a couple of weeks ago and she just broke up with her boyfriend and he was saying things similar to what the guy who committed suicide awhile back was saying just before he took his life.

it is freaking her out.

outbutnotdown

Flower, you said:

Most support assistance is in place to prevent the act from happening in the first place which IMO makes a lot more sense than saying 'forget about them, they are as good as dead anyway but after they do it lets have lots more support for those left behind'. That is in essence what your previous post mentioned

This not at all what I was suggesting. I am in absolute complete agreement that prevention is the best policy. The very way that I live my life is proof that I believe in suicide prevention. Creating a happy, peaceful environment for my four kids is the best way that I can do the biggest part to "prevent" suicide.

This "topic", however, is not about prevention, it's about the "after the fact", irregardless of the circumstances. Therefore, I never mentioned a word about prevention until now. Don't make an insinuation that my opinion is that we shouldn't care about preventing it or even about caring about people who do attempt it. When I used the word SOLELY it was coming more from emotions than logic. However, rather than you accepting that correction on my part, you continue to throw insults rather than looking at the big, REAL picture of the other points I and others here are trying to make.

Doubtfully Yours makes a point, that people who don't succeed are just making a cry for help. I'm sure that many people out here can attest to that point being true as well. Instead of accepting that point as being legit you try to refute it by showing that when you didn't succeed, it wasn't because you didn't do your best. Hey, I don't think anyone here will say that they wish you were better informed about the best options to kill yourself, since you'd be dead... and that's not nice!!!!

I find this whole thing truly ironic. You accuse me and others of putting things into our own "little boxes", "lumping" things and, in general, (if you can, for a moment refrain from telling me not to "generalize") you are questioning everybody's viewpoint that is not EXACTLY like yours. What's that saying about the kettle and the teapot?

I feel for what you went through as much I do anybody else who has gone through it and in no way am I retracting that empathy, however I will still get back to my point awhile ago about the fact that you seem to not have too much empathy for others.

Brad