Posts by Ocean1111

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so is the BORG now the WORG ?

by bigmac in

j.worg.

International Conventions

by tenyearsafter in

just saw a facebook post from an acquaintance who just went to the international convention in dallas, tx.

according to his post, there were approximately 50,000 in attendance on sunday, with 468 baptized.

there were an additional 9 conventions tied to this one, with an attendance of approximately 100,000 and 609 baptisms total, including dallas.

The real growth is in stumbled and disillusioned people and JWs. And not by "theological" reasons, but by Bethel scandals, unscriptural policies and questionable alliances (UN NGO). (Bethel's actual "growth" could actually be a decline easily sold off with the baptismal rate, that is miniscule in context of the scale of the loss. Saying four times as many people are stumbled away from "the truth" is conservative. There may be more stumbled and disgusted people than there have ever been JWs since 1930.)

Thus the entire nature of "the opposition" has also shifted more and more to using Bethel's lawless record to establish discredibility. In effect Bethel's own merely denied lawless policy structure and dictatorial hierarchy is their own worst enemy. People are fleeing for good reason, Bethel is criminal by it's own record, not "theology".

Thus most people do not see this twenty year old transformation. (2Cor11:13-15) And in effect JWs and their critics are both subverted from comprehending what is really happening, Bethel is exposing themselves, by their own rules on "Christendom", as the latest classic apostasy.

Bethel has a technique to divert this awareness of their own major apostasy. They shift focus to the opposition.

It is so ingenious to be beyond "accidental". The transformation of the overall Bethel condition also shows intelligent design, rather than the surreal hypocrisy and stupidity they project as but another veneer to conceal the Biblical apostasy that always applies to the leadership in history, not the man on the street, or whipped and beaten sheep in the pews. It is Bethel itself that is the core apostasy among Jehovah's witnesses.

Thus focus on others and projecting surreal stupidity aids concealing the development, and it's gradual implementation is why it is not recognized by many.

To see the brilliance of the diversions and cover up is to indicate a design is at work, just as thorough as any organized religious brainwash on earth. It is now by it's own descriptions a "part of Babylon the Great" and "rides the wildbeast" real-time as the latest "new girl on the street".

It is just interesting how people are incensed about Bethel, but are not seeing Bethel is defining their own apostasy, by their own rules of apostasy in past cases, that forms in the "priesthood", that is the big defection that occurred in Israel and organized institutional mainstream Christianity.

Bethel also has a theological fictionally applied framework to further conceal their downfall as "prophecy fulfilling", but it won't be the prophecy JWs are misled to believe will be fulfilling.

So Bethel to have all this, and a theological "self fulfilling prophecy" that can cover Bethel's legal "desolation", is showing design, an organized subversion. Now Bethel to go into heightened legal justice for various criminal policies in writing and practice, can be sold to JWs as "the world's attack", when it is actually Bethel's own criminal activity that will aid Bethel's legal problems of the future, that are merely state justice being applied to pedophile harborers and dictators of life and death commands that have affected human life and death in some cases.

(Bethel inquisitional overkill and capture of the JW conscience is how this kind of liability formed. Had they just let people's own conscience dictate their own decisions, then Bethel would not have liability written into their policy "commands of men". The disfellowshipping complex of overkill is what is Bethel's own gallows).

It is as if Bethel has set-up and documented as policy that leg of their legal deconstruction. They are an overdue global target for many many lawsuits. In my opinion it will be in the context of major financial set-ups that will also aid the seizure of Bethel for legal reasons, not the "attack on Babylon the Great" that Bethel has set up to sell that downfall aided from within, to JWs a "prophecy is fulfilling brothers!"

Thus Bethel also has a well inculcated "prophetic" smokescreen in place as well.

It is Bethel, not the world, that is bringing its own self down, and they want to sell that to JWs in their well engineered "self fulfilling prophecy" by misapplied and fragmented "Bible prophecy" as the fault of someone else as a "persecution", when in fact Bethel's own criminal network is merely being prosecuted globally however that must unfold, FOR IT'S OWN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

Now a growing wave of public disgust with Bethel will also aid the set-up and fervor to see it all as legal justice from the national legal powers who clearly see the Bethel humpty dumpty set up on their own wall for accelerated deconstruction when the national debt condition starts to really unwind in more serious ways globally.

Bethel is a bowling pin and they set themselves at the head of the rack. The final diversion is selling that legal justice as "the attack of the Assyrian". In Bethel's case the "Assyrian" has every right to shut down that corporate criminal racket, it is not "persecution", in Bethel's case it is justice long overdue.

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How Accurate Is JWN In Your Opinion?

by minimus in

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friends

would you say this board gives accurate information, overall?

if someone started reading the comments here, do you think they would find this discussion board as accurate?.

Ocean1111

In all honesty people have to look into matters for themselves. If JWN started claiming infallibility it would be as bad as the GB. Thinking for oneself and doing one's own research is the point of the argument against Bethel. But so quickly will people devolve into the same hypcocrisy as Bethel, like removing and "shunning" people who do not tow the "party line" as Bethel does.

One has to be careful to go from the pan to the water, not a worse fire. I do not blame JWs for the role their leaders play in this subversion of truth. JWs simply do as they are told to do by men, not the Bible, they have a clever middleman now in the GB. (2Thess2:3-4) At the same time I feel Bethel is not just subverting JWs but are also diverting their critics in a different manner, so no one is really figuring out Bethel is the apostasy and more. And worse, Bethel is an act, not really run by even sincerely Christian claimant men believing their own claims, they are "strangers".

(John 10:1) “Most truly I say to you, He that does not enter into the sheepfold through the door but climbs up some other place, that one is a thief and a plunderer.

If one can see that, that also changes a major assumption many JWs critics hold, and it changes the nature of the meanings of what will befall Bethel soon, because though seeming externally brought about, it is aided internally from the rogue GB dictator tyrants of Bethel itself. They are who guide the ship to ruin, and their immense profiteering. Bethel has clearly become everything they accuse "Christendom" of being, but in far more modern and serious form, it is terminal now, but every element is present, merely hidden by the latest "sheep skin" veneer at Bethel.

In that way JWs are fooled, and so are most JW critics. Bethel is one strange anomaly in certain ways, not just a random hypocrisy. (Dan8:12-14; Isa28:21). The thing is it is JWs who should be the ones who clearly see the pattern repeating. Bethel is the core classic apostasy, it is central, not distributed to opposers on the street where Bethel focuses all attention. The Bethel condition i actually worse then even it's critics imagine.

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This will be a GREAT organization!

by Kensho in

when...... 1) we follow christ example not the gb.

2) stop df'ing those for challenging current or past doctrine and allow us to use our god given gift of reason and free wil.

sure kick out the scumbags even the lions club have rules for membership, but not those who just use their brains and consience.. 3) get rid of the nonsensical blood teaching that has cost the lives of thousands and beg god for forgiveness.

Ocean1111

The "reform" coming on Bethel will be beyond human. And surprisingly the people (JWs) who should understand judgments of the past repeat, will be the ones most bewildered when one comes live and real-time. But Bethel will aid it's own downfall, it is obvious "strangers" are who have been running Bethel in 100% GB and BOD control since 1990.

The Bethel subversion is so well deployed both JWs and their critics are on the wrong page. JWs get to find out soon, and for some time (Dan8:14), if God buys the "library card" excuse.

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jw.org getting out of hand

by Gorbatchov in

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it seems the watchtower staff have made a runaway train with the introduction of the mark jw.org.. the combination of using a gadget driven platform and the fact that the common jw is low educated and easely influenced.

by new occurrings in their religion makes the situation getting out of hand.. proof: gb members wearing jw.org buttons during their speech, gifts with jw.org are given away, umbrellas with the jw.org are available.

jw.org is more important then god, his son and the gospel.. it's the gadget and the jw.org mark that counts.. i am so happy my grandparents are not confronted with these idiots.. it's a runaway train heading to the end of the track.. gorby .

Ocean1111

I think the purpose is to have a "logo" to also idolize amongst the pantheon of other globalized brands. It is now the JWs who are the "product" and the commercialization is like a cherry on top of the wormwood sundae in a scarlet bowl. Now the religion is a commercial for the Atlanta Visitors Bureau, a big distracting JW show. The GB get's the Academy Award.

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Poem on Jehovah's Witnesses

by Pinku in

jehovahs witnesses despise world.

atheists over-value the world.

mystics under-value the world.

Ocean1111

The parallel is now complete but mostly unseen though the main distraction.

Mission accomplished...

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Stupid paragraph in this weekends wt study

by stuckinarut2 in

how's these comments in this weeks study?.

i understood that i had neglected my children when they most needed my guidance and affection, admits eduardo.

i had not been there to read them bible stories, to pray with them, to cuddle them, and to play with them.

Ocean1111

From a few cases I know the "preaching work" over-focus and "organizational red tape" is what aids familial neglect. No one has any time, and thus the spiritual needs of the family are sacrificed in reality, for the escape of "field service" which even Avon ladies perform so it is not the "red badge of courgae" JWs make it out to be, even the FBI (and probably 50 other intelligence agencies) goes door to door undercover in JWs.

What use is going door to door with UN NGO pluggings? What use is losing such focus the entire ministry has gone apostate, and JWs are so micro-focused they can't see the forest for the one tree?

That was a realization I had. Bethel uses the "truth" to actually use it's perception to distract JWs from the real things going on IN Bethel. And because preaching does have some scriptural basis, the effect of the deceptive use of "the truth" is all the more imbibed into the blindered JW brain. "the truth" is the main "food" the Bethel "wormwood" is slipped into, so JWs gobble it up. (Rev8:10-11) It is a true case of hypnotic override and dated mentality "claiming to see" in this perpetual 1970 model JW.

It's an interesting case study of a man-following cult worshiping it's central Neo-Papal Governing Body, so subtle was the transformation (Dan8:12), JWs never did detect the sleight of hand actually at work, and now terminal, it is truly a man-serving system now, cleric hierarchy and all. A very strange transformation whose inception can be traced to the made hypnotists, the Governing Body central dictatorship of 1976.

Now Bethel is the classic Biblical case of apostasy from the top down, and think everyone else is the danger. Very strange indeed.

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God come to you in a dream "go out and marry a prostitute".

by jam in

jw
friends

and by the way, she will be unfaithful.

believe it was god or satan???.

the book of hosea.

Ocean1111

If history repeats I guess prophecy that became history also repeats, on the Israel pattern and meaning of the cycle. Patterns repeat and cyclically.

It looks like Hosea's "wife" slept with the UN NGO, and "mother" is also a "fornicator":

(Hosea 2:2,5) Carry on a legal case with your mother; carry on a legal case, for she is not my wife and I am not her husband. ... 5 For their mother has committed fornication.

I guess that's why Bethel calls itself "mother", but will not apply "apostasy" to themselves, but to everything else; it aids the distraction.

Maybe Hosea 1:4-7 will also have a repeat as well but on Bethel. The more things change, the more they remain the same. In JezeBethel's case it installed a clerical hierarchy, and neo-papal GB corporate tyranny, a fog of fictions and everything else soon followed in increased manner. It is the same old story really.

Now JWs are the apostate and misled "Israelites"...

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Our "Evolved" culture

by Saved_JW in

just a quick reminder of the "evolved" culture we live in:.

1- we live in a time where the humanity of a child is not determined by science [chromosomes, dna] but by the feelings of the mother.. 2- gender used to be determined by the objective anatomical, psychological, and genetical differences..now based purely on your emotional self.. 3- philosophy used to be a discipline which sought for ultimate truth, arguments were deliberated, calculated, and worldviews challenged.

humanity sought to know why we believe not just what we believe.

Ocean1111

It works well so they use it over and over: Divide and Conquer.

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IC 2014 talk: "A Century of Kingdom Rule Contrasted With a Century of Satans Rule"

by AnnOMaly in

a discussion of this talk on friday morning deserves its own thread.

as i said elsewhere, it was a remarkable one.

the speaker was manfred vencebi (google him - he's a bethel bigwig) and some of his remarks are real gems.

Ocean1111

...Contrasted with 40 Years of GB Rule.

Now JWs have gradually (Dan8:12) become a bad commercial. The success in "Satan's rule" has been installing the illegal, mundane, mythologically based Governing Body of Tyrants. (Dan11:41);

Highlights:

UN NGO Third UN Placement Co-Promotions!

Pedophile Paradise Abuse Network and Guaranteed Future Litigation Ad Infinitum!!

Psychological Torture with the Bethel Inquisition and Dunce-Cap Shunning Crimes!!!

Holy Man Pied Piper Council at Bethel to "Listen [to] and Obey"!!

Flee to FEMA "Egypt"!!

20 Million Stumbled!!!

Spiritual Puppet Show!!

JW Darkness!!!

"Advertise, Advertise, Advertise" the UN NGO and His Kingdom!!!

The Preaching Work Has Ended!!!

Thank You Jay-W'$!! Good Bye!!!