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  "back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

  by purrpurr in

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  a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

  their response was quite amazing.

  they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

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  darkspilver

  HI LoveUniHateExams
  

  Just to help you understand, darkspilver, 'paedophile information exchange' (PIE) was a disgusting group of dubious legality which tried to make adult-on-child sex legal. It was particularly active in the 60s and 70s. Several PIE members were jailed for child sex offences.

  yes definately agreeing with you - the point is though that an organisation/group like that actually existed as openingly as it did during the time it did - and, although viewed by the majority, quite rightly so, as being abhorrent, it's activities were being reported in a relatively hands-off factual way by the mainstream press at the time.

  And then there's the 1981 Time magazine article "Cradle-to-Grave Intimacy" that was referenced in the Awake! article earlier in this thead.

  Nowadays, thankfully, people are much more knowledgeable

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL364HPoBz4
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  "back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

  their response was quite amazing.

  they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

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  darkspilver

  For the last 100 years, British people knew the age of consent was 16.

  well, yes, and no - wrong, just yes.
  

  sorry, what I meant was that I was agreeing with you in principle, but was highlighting the technical aspect that the homosexual age of consent was only lowered to 16 to match that for hetrosexuals 16 years ago - ie: "For the last 100 years, British people knew the age of consent was 16 or higher."
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  "back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

  their response was quite amazing.

  they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

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  darkspilver

  For the last 100 years, British people knew the age of consent was 16.
  

  well, yes, and no

  
  

  Age of consent in UK

  • In 1275, the first age of consent was set in England, at age 12
  • In 1875 it was raised to 13

  • In 1885 it was raised to 16

  
  

  Male homosexual consent

  • Decriminalised in 1967
  • In 1967, the first age of consent was set, at age 21
  • In 1994 it was lowered to 18

  • In 2000 it was lowered to 16

  The Wikipedia page below has an interesting reference from 1972 regarding the Quakers desire for a lower age of consent of 14
  

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform_(UK)
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  "back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

  their response was quite amazing.

  they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

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  darkspilver

  The OP refers to an article in The Guardian, a liberal British newspaper.

  For some background, here's an article from the same newspaper, from 41 years ago....

  The Guardian - Tuesday 26 August 1975 - Page 5

  Child-lovers win fight for role in Gay Lib
  

  Mr Keith Hose, a paedophile - one who is sexually attracted to children - persuaded tha conference of the Campaign for Homosexual Equality (CHE) yesterday to censure its conference committee for relegating paedophilia to a minor role in the conference business.

  Mr Hose told the conference, which ended in Sheffield last night, that he himself had enjoyed "a deep relationship" with two boys aged 11 when he was a sixth-former at school. He is a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), which is campaigning for the legal and social accepttance of paedophilia. A PIE leaflet states: "We want to dispel the myths connected with paedophilia, and show that most paedophiles desire gentle, loving, and mutually pleasurable relationships. We believe it is inhumane to children to outlaw their sexuality and we support moves to lower the age of consent."

  The successful resolution proposed by Mr Hose pointed out that paedophilia was an important subject because "There are many gay paedophiles, in and out of CHE, yet their needs and feelings are ignored in frequent attempts to dissociate them from the gay movement."

  [article contnues, see below]
  

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  For background regarding age of consents etc in the UK see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT_history_in_Britain

  https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/26/lobbying-paedophile-campaign-revealed-hewitt
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  "Marking"

  by confused in

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  please can anyone help me to find any information from society's literature on the subject of marking.

  i wasn't aware it was still practiced.

  i would like to know how it is explained as being in any way scriptural.

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  So the elders could well give a talk on the dangers of this.

  Which means it's more likely to be handled as a local needs item, rather than a specific 'between-the-eyes' marking talk.

  I think it probably boils down to the fact that elders don't like giving specific marking talks and would much prefer to do a general local needs item that addresses the specific perceived 'need' within the item.
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  "Marking"

  by confused in

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  please can anyone help me to find any information from society's literature on the subject of marking.

  i wasn't aware it was still practiced.

  i would like to know how it is explained as being in any way scriptural.

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  darkspilver

  I think a full-blown proper 'marking' talk is very rare, for a number of reasons...
  

  Firstly, due to the lead time needed in agreeing, organising and actually giving the marking talk, it is often overtaken by events and becomes judicial anyway.
  

  Secondly, rather than a 'marking' talk the issue is addressed by a 'local needs' item.
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  Phillip Di Biase

  by darkspilver in

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  meet the gay hume city council candidate who quit the jehovah’s witness community.

  australia victoria's hume city council candidate phillip di biase, 19, grew up in a “highly controlled” jehovah’s witness community, but turned his back on the religion after he came out at 16. now his life is devoted to helping homeless youths.. http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/national-news/victoria-news/meet-gay-hume-city-council-candidate-quit-jehovahs-witness-community/152367.

  https://twitter.com/phillipdibias.

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  Meet the gay Hume City Council candidate who quit the Jehovah’s Witness community
  

  AUSTRALIA Victoria's Hume City Council candidate Phillip Di Biase, 19, grew up in a “highly controlled” Jehovah’s Witness community, but turned his back on the religion after he came out at 16. Now his life is devoted to helping homeless youths.
  

  http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/national-news/victoria-news/meet-gay-hume-city-council-candidate-quit-jehovahs-witness-community/152367

  
  

  https://twitter.com/phillipdibias

  http://www.phillipdi.com
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  Online article, ex JW

  by Lostandfound in

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  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jehovahs-witnesses-religion-christianity-religious-group-what-is-it-like-a7214966.html?cmpid=facebook-post.

  not sure if this already posted, article from uk independent online newspaper.

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  darkspilver

  Hi steve2
  

  I wonder what prompted the Independent to run the story

  He was probably just browsing Reddit
  
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  "Marking"

  by confused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please can anyone help me to find any information from society's literature on the subject of marking.

  i wasn't aware it was still practiced.

  i would like to know how it is explained as being in any way scriptural.

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  darkspilver

  Yes, it is.

  2 Thessalonians 3:14 & 15 - "But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked and stop associating with him, so that he may become ashamed. And yet do not consider him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother."
  

  1999 Watchtower 15 July 1999 pages 29 to 31

  Questions From Readers: Is the 'marking' mentioned at 2 Thessalonians 3:14 a formal congregational process, or is it something that Christians individually do in avoiding unruly ones?

  
  

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  Online article, ex JW

  by Lostandfound in

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  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jehovahs-witnesses-religion-christianity-religious-group-what-is-it-like-a7214966.html?cmpid=facebook-post.

  not sure if this already posted, article from uk independent online newspaper.

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  darkspilver

  Seems to be a complete rip-off from the Reddit thread, with nothing added, well apart from a stock image from France (!)
  

  I mean, whatever happened to journalism? Oh yes, of course, the Independent stopped printing five months ago.
  

  But then, as one of the comments says: "it's nice to see the Indy expanding its reporting horizons - from single, anonymous sources on FaceBook and Twitter to single anonymous sources on Reddit too."