Posts by darkspilver

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New light in this weeks WT?

by Indian Larry in

anybody have any ideas where they are going with the "new light" they have been pushing last week and this week?

for instance in this weeks study article one section reads:.

in years gone by, we believed that jehovah became displeased with his people because they did not have a zealous share in the preaching work during world war i. we concluded that for this reason, jehovah allowed babylon the great to take them captive for a short time.

darkspilver

OK, here goes....

What did they actually believe before? (my emphasis)

Watchtower 1 March 2001, page 15, paragraph 17
In 1918 they went into spiritual captivity when leading officers of the Watch Tower Society were imprisoned. The organized preaching work virtually ceased. Then, in 1919, Jehovah restored them and reinvigorated them with his spirit, whereupon they set out to fulfill the commission to preach the good news in all the inhabited earth.

Isaiah Book Vol 2 (2001) page 181, paragraph 4
During the first world war, however, her representatives on earth — anointed Christians — unwittingly broke Jehovah’s law because they did not properly understand true Christian neutrality. Losing divine favor, they came into spiritual captivity to “Babylon the Great,” the world empire of false religion. (Revelation 17:5) Their condition of being in slavery climaxed in June 1918 when eight staff members of the Watch Tower Society were imprisoned on false charges, including conspiracy. At that point the organized preaching of the good news virtually stopped. In 1919, however, a clarion call to spiritual wakefulness was sounded forth. Anointed Christians began to separate themselves more completely from the moral and spiritual uncleanness of Babylon the Great. They rose from the dust of captivity, and “Jerusalem above” came to have the splendor of a “holy city” where spiritual uncleanness is not allowed.

Isaiah Book Vol 2 (2001), page 241, paragraph 16
The climax came in 1918 when the public preaching work virtually stopped and responsible officers of the Watch Tower Society were imprisoned on false charges of sedition. In this way, Jehovah’s modern-day servants went into a spiritual captivity, reminiscent of the physical captivity of the ancient Jews. Great reproach hung over them.

Note capacity is tied to the infamous imprisonment of those bethel members from June 1918 to 1919 - and it was: "At that point the organized preaching of the good news virtually stopped." (what does the Study Watchtower for Sunday 29 Jan - paragaph 7 - state about the preaching work during that time, June 1918 to 1919 - no not during 1914, or 1916, that wasn't the time of spiritual capacity)

What do they believe now?

Study Watchtower March 2016, pages 29 to 31
Questions From Readers: When were God’s people held captive by Babylon the Great?
That spiritual captivity lasted from the second century C.E. to 1919.

NOTE - in the QFR answer below, that infamous imprisonment of those bethel members has been completely dropped from the explaination and isn't mentioned at all... hmmmm....

Link to scans

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UK Daily Mirror: Vampire Farms

by darkspilver in

front page of today's daily mirror newspaper in the uk (26 january 2017).

vampire farms exposed: british meat in cruel horse hormone scandal as pregnant mares' blood is injected into pigs.

thousands of pregnant horses are kept on blood farms for fertility product which is then sold to uk vets and factory farmers to help increase production.

darkspilver

Hi NikL

Those are the red top tabloids - but although they'll print and feature 'sensational' stories, often in more simplistic black and white terms - it doesn't mean that the actual facts behind those stories are inaccurate.

In this instance, The Daily Mirror, decided to give the story maximum coverage with a 'campaigning' front page backed up by a double page spread inside - in contrast to other newspapers, who seem to have responded with their own stories on their websites:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4159146/Inside-vampire-horse-farm.html
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/horse-blood-hormone-used-in-british-bacon-and-sausage-vhkt50xtn
Remember, this is not a new story:
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/straight-horror-movie-petition-taking-pregnant-mares-blood-drugs-610200
BUT it is The Daily Mirror that has given it wide-spread national coverage.

The Daily Mirror's 'saving grace' is that, in contrast to the majority of the UK national press, it is traditionally a 'working class labour/left-leaning' mass market newspaper, and is probably thought of as the most reliable of the red-tops - partly due to it's background of providing a print outlet for such investigative journalism of noted reporters such as Paul Foot and John Pilger.

On the 'quality' newspaper side, The Guardian (and it's sunday sister title The Observer) are also liberal/left-leaning. Although things have changed now regarding newspaper buying - from experience of visiting JW friends etc, it used to be that, particularly on Sundays, that households would buy BOTH The Observer and The Sunday Mirror. - remember that, although less so nowadays - in broadbrush terms, in the UK, the daily newspaper you read depends on your politics, not on where you live.

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Any updates on the org's $4000 per day fine?

by The Searcher in

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/jun/24/ticker-judge-sanctions-jehovahs-witnesses/#.

it's heading towards $900,000 now..

darkspilver

On Saturday 10 December 2016, Trey Bundy said: "In June, Strauss ordered the Watchtower to pay $4,000 a day until it complied with the court’s order. The Watchtower is appealing."

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UK The Times: "We need to do more to tackle sexual abuse among JWs"

by darkspilver in

article written by kathleen hallisey appearing on the website of the uk's times newspaper - the article does not appear (yet?

) to be in the print version.. kathleen hallisey is a senior solicitor at bolt burdon kemp, specialising in child abuse.

she acted on behalf of the claimant in the landmark case of a v watchtower [2015] ewhc 1722 (qb), the first judgment against the jehovah’s witnesses in the uk for historical sexual abuse.. in the article she refers to the wt uk child safeguarding policy - click here for a side-by-side 2012/2017 comparision of the document.

darkspilver

PLEASE NOTE: The original article has been amended. It appears that they forgot to upload the last TWO paragraphs to the website - I've copied them below. You can view the amended complete article here

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-need-to-do-more-to-tackle-sexual-abuse-among-jehovahs-witnesses-b26nmjn90

@ Half banana: Unfortunately most JWs don’t read The Times.

And you do, I hope?

I rechecked my copy of The Times newspaper for Thursday 26 January 2017 (Thursday editions carry a special weekly 'Legal & Law' section) - and I note that the article by Kathleen Hallisey was flagged up as being an 'online exclusive for Times members' in a box in the middle of page 55 - as per the picture below:

The newly added last two paragraphs read as:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-need-to-do-more-to-tackle-sexual-abuse-among-jehovahs-witnesses-b26nmjn90

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UK Daily Mirror: Vampire Farms

by darkspilver in

front page of today's daily mirror newspaper in the uk (26 january 2017).

vampire farms exposed: british meat in cruel horse hormone scandal as pregnant mares' blood is injected into pigs.

thousands of pregnant horses are kept on blood farms for fertility product which is then sold to uk vets and factory farmers to help increase production.

darkspilver

Front page of today's Daily Mirror newspaper in the UK (26 January 2017)

Vampire farms exposed: British meat in cruel horse hormone scandal as pregnant mares' blood is injected into pigs

Thousands of pregnant horses are kept on blood farms for fertility product which is then sold to UK vets and factory farmers to help increase production

WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vampire-farm-hell-british-meat-9693895

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

darkspilver

My reaction to this is...why tf should they have to get all the f***ing stupid details of JW theology correct?

Because they're being paid. If you being paid to do a job, you have a responsibility to fulfil that job, even if you think it is stupid, or if unable to, then to stand down.

If they're unwilling to, as you say, 'keep-up', then they should NOT accept the job in the first place.

This was NOT an emergency, it was planned, cold surgery.

So much for CPD!!!

This article is written for the public

I presumed it was the official court record, I got to it through the official Washington Court Website- it's not a newspaper article written by a journalist, it is a court document.

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Australia TV's Bride & Prejudice’s Forbidden Wedding Dilemma

by darkspilver in

it's a world away from the dating shows and cooking competitions commercial tv networks are stacking their schedules with right now.

but on channel 7's bride & prejudice, we meet couples whose families are dead set against their relationships.

and it's a heartbreaker..... it was at love at first sight for sydney couple chris, 39, and grant, 32. grant's parents have always accepted his homosexuality; however chris's parents have struggled and remain uncomfortable with his way of life.

darkspilver

It's a world away from the dating shows and cooking competitions commercial TV networks are stacking their schedules with right now. But on Channel 7's Bride & Prejudice, we meet couples whose families are dead set against their relationships. And it's a heartbreaker....

It was at love at first sight for Sydney couple Chris, 39, and Grant, 32. Grant's parents have always accepted his homosexuality; however Chris's parents have struggled and remain uncomfortable with his way of life. Chris, who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, realised he was gay when he was five. His parents, Yvonne and Geoff, object but for different reasons....

https://au.tv.yahoo.com/shows/bride-and-prejudice/a/34233156/chris-grant-nsw/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOVOi8RgHg

Grant (left) and Chris,

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Baumgartner - Dr. Mark Morehart: State of Washington Appeal Court - aborted use of cell saver machine

by darkspilver in

for information:.

court of appeals of the state of washingtondivision iidocket number: 48070-1file date: 01/24/2017.

keisha baumgartner appeals the summary judgment dismissal of her medical malpractice wrongful death claim against anesthesiologist dr. mark morehart and columbia anesthesia group, p.s.

darkspilver

Actually IMHO it's much more involved than that - hence the Appeal

It appears that the cell saver tube fell to the ground, while the cell-saver's named operative had LEFT the operating room - and it was during this time that significant blood-loss started.

That named operative believed that the cell-saver machine could only be used if "that before the first incision there must be a continuous, closed circuit from the cell saver’s suction input, through the cell saver, and back to the patient."

There was evidence presented that Jehovah’s Witness beliefs do not require the suction input to be continuously in contact with the patient.

Also it seems that they say that, for this operation, the cell-saver should have been on stand-by and brought into use only when and if needed. Instead they got it working before it was needed, and this would have helped avoid the above issue.

Baumgartner argues that the trial court erred in granting summary judgment in favor of Dr. Morehart on her medical malpractice claims. She claims that Dr. Morehart was negligent in (1) failing to direct the surgical team to set up the cell saver machine on standby, and (2) failing to direct Hendrix to continue using the cell saver machine during surgery after replacing the contaminated suction tube. We hold that Baumgartner presented sufficient evidence to create genuine issues of material fact regarding these claims.

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UK The Times: "We need to do more to tackle sexual abuse among JWs"

by darkspilver in

article written by kathleen hallisey appearing on the website of the uk's times newspaper - the article does not appear (yet?

) to be in the print version.. kathleen hallisey is a senior solicitor at bolt burdon kemp, specialising in child abuse.

she acted on behalf of the claimant in the landmark case of a v watchtower [2015] ewhc 1722 (qb), the first judgment against the jehovah’s witnesses in the uk for historical sexual abuse.. in the article she refers to the wt uk child safeguarding policy - click here for a side-by-side 2012/2017 comparision of the document.

darkspilver

Article written by Kathleen Hallisey appearing on the website of the UK's Times Newspaper - the article does not appear (yet?) to be in the print version.

Kathleen Hallisey is a senior solicitor at Bolt Burdon Kemp, specialising in child abuse. She acted on behalf of the claimant in the landmark case of A v Watchtower [2015] EWHC 1722 (QB), the first judgment against the Jehovah’s Witnesses in the UK for historical sexual abuse.

In the article she refers to the WT UK Child Safeguarding Policy - click here for a side-by-side 2012/2017 comparision of the document

She also refers to the UK BBC TV 2002 Panorama documentary: "Suffer the little children" - see bottom of this post to watch.

I believe the 'landmark case' on which she acted on behalf of the claimant is this one, when she was working for AO Advocates

BBC: Jehovah's Witnesses to compensate woman over sex abuse - 19 June
A woman who claimed Jehovah's Witness elders failed to protect her from sex abuse carried out by a paedophile has won a £275,000 payout.
The woman, now in her 20s, alleges she was abused as a child in Loughborough by ministerial servant Peter Stewart.
She had argued at London's High Court that he used his role to abuse her.
A judge ruled the organisation was liable for the abuse because it failed to take "safeguarding steps" after Stewart admitted abusing another child.
Mr Justice Globe said he was "satisfied" the defendants should be "held responsible" for the abuse, which took place between 1989 and 1994.
It is the first civil case in the UK of historical sexual abuse brought against the Christian-based religious movement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33201010

http://www.boltburdonkemp.co.uk/child-abuse/church/

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-need-to-do-more-to-tackle-sexual-abuse-among-jehovahs-witnesses-b26nmjn90

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep4h2lKWRlg

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CBC: Jehovah's Witness shunning court case shines spotlight on rare practice

by Simon in

jehovah's witness shunning court case shines spotlight on rare practice.

hutterites, first nations among groups that have used shunning and banishment.

by dave dormer, cbc news posted: sep 19, 2016 6:30 pm mt .

darkspilver

25 January 2017 article regarding the Randy Wall Court Case:

The much-needed separation of church and state

HOWARD ANGLIN - The Globe abnd Mail

Howard Anglin is the executive director of the Canadian Constitution Foundation, a registered charity dedicated to defending and promoting constitutional rights and freedoms. The CCF filed an affidavit in support of the Highwood Congregation’s application to the Supreme Court of Canada.
Is there any limit to the law’s reach in the Charter era? Does any sphere of private life or civil society remain beyond the sweep of our judiciary’s Sauron-like gaze? What began as a membership dispute in a suburban Calgary church has landed on the steps of the Supreme Court of Canada, and if the court chooses to hear the case (and it should), these questions could make it the most consequential legal decision of the year.
The case, in a nutshell: Randy Wall attended Calgary’s Highwood Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses until April, 2014, when he was expelled – “disfellowshipped,” in the church’s discordant term – for alleged drunkenness, verbal abuse of his wife and insufficient repentance. Having exhausted appeals within the church, Mr. Wall sought relief from the Alberta Court of Queen’s Bench, claiming that his disfellowshipping was not consistent with the principles of fundamental justice. The church responded that Canadian courts have no jurisdiction to second-guess the membership decisions of a private religious body. By a 2-1 decision, a panel of the Alberta Court of Appeal disagreed.
Read the full 800-word article here:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-much-needed-separation-of-church-and-state/article33759815/