based on a true crime book entitled "under the bridge," by rebecca godfrey, a film is in the making on the life of reena virk, an ex jehovah's witness, who was murdered in british columbia, canada, by several other females.
should be interesting.
see "witherspoon's type a develops high school murder story of reena virk" at.
Article from Rebecca Godfrey, author of the above book 'Under The Bridge'.
The Unforgettable Story of a Teen Murdered by Her Peers
Vice July 27 2017
Twenty years after Reena Virk’s horrific death, the reporter who knew the teenage girls involved goes deep on a crime that shocked the world.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvpqa7/the-unforgettable-story-of-a-teen-murdered-by-her-peers
Background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Reena_Virk
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
BBC Radio 4 - Sunday 30 July 2017 - 7.10 to 7.55
SUNDAY - "Jehovah's Witness, Trafficking, Arts & Craft Stained Glass"
The Charity Commission have published a critical report into how the Jehovah's Witnesses managed allegations of child sex abuse at the Manchester New Moston congregation. Kathleen Hallisey a lawyer for survivors and Harvey Grenville, Head of Investigations and Enforcement at the Charity Commission discuss the issues with Edward.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08z97zy
(The radio programme is actually called 'Sunday')
https://www.facebook.com/tupuebloesmipueblojehova/videos/578539175868967/?hc_ref=arrvbqq6myd5outlusr6zufmvffwsvr_duxl_fdriuhhniiuesiylhi43gybtziknxwthis video gave me cancer..
floridaborn: There is one on Instagram where they have their phones lit up and are waving them during the last song like they are at a concert
This? - https://www.instagram.com/p/BW5-PPdgULy/
I don't think the above video was 'technically' part of the convention programme - because once the song has finished it seems to go into another song? just before the video cuts out?
It's all an (unintended?) consequence of having the lyrics on the screen (no songbook/tablet to hold) so your hands are 'free' and of course the more 'up-beat' music they recently introduced.... this is what happens...
having just watched john cedars latest youtube video i am appalled that jws do not make up part of the investigation into institutions that have failed to protect children from sexual abuse.. i have emailed and begged them to reevaluate their decision.. if anyone else wants to do so, this is the email i used, i don't know if it's the right one, it's on their website.. [email protected].
Oh, there's a petition for that
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Professer_Alexis_Jay_Prof_Alexis_Jay_Investigate_the_Jehovahs_Witnesses/
There are also some other, related petitions, listed here:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6241179127513088/_post/5963517142237184
wcontinuity and admixture in the last five millennia of levantine history from ancient canaanite and present-day lebanese genome sequences.
the american journal of human genetics .
july 27, 2017. summary.
Thanks - interesting - but as per oppostate's comments.....
The ancient Canaanites, who according to the Bible were commanded to be exterminated, did not die out, but lived on to become modern-day Lebanese, according to the first study to analyse their DNA.
And wasn't that actually the WHOLE point? - they were commanded to be wiped out but never where completely - Judges 3: 1 & 2
In fact couldn't the WT could use this DNA-thingy to 'prove' the above account?
so today the well-respected and serious newspaper trouw.nl came with child abuse within the jw as their topmost frontpage article.. the articles are well researched and aim primarily at the dutch jw situation.. afaik at least on member of this forum assisted the newspaper with the articles.
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other media are picking up as well.....
Petition:
370 signatures so far (15:10 EDT - Thursday 27 July 2017)
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6221194778902528/dutch-petition-investigation-into-child-abuse-cases
Don't forget:
Australia - 1,204 signatures so far - https://www.change.org/p/australian-charities-and-not-for-profit-commission-acnc-cancel-the-watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-s-charity-status
USA - 1,931 signatures so far - https://www.change.org/p/internal-revenue-service-revoke-501-c-3-status-of-the-watchtower-bible-tract-society
UK - 116 signatures so far - https://www.change.org/p/steven-a-horne-investigate-the-watchtower-society-of-jehovah-s-witnesses-re-child-sexual-abuse
there was a part about pine trees in california mountains at regional convention.
the brother/organization lied about how old they are.
he said oldest tree is 4200 years old when it is actually 5000 years old.
fastJehu: The video "CO17_E_091_No35-1.mp4" is the one shown about the trees and it contains NOT the age of this trees... The script also says nothing about the age of this trees.
thanks for confirming - I had checked them out myself before my earlier post above, but I might have missed it, so thanks for confirming.
The WT have said - in print, in black and white - that the tree is "over 4,700 years old".
There is an issue regarding how they could survive a global flood - but that's a strawman argument - the issue is the age, NOT how did they survive - that's the gist of the title and OP of this thread - and it's noticeable that the original thread starter has 'gone quiet'.....
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
Side note: I can confirm that there is NO coverage of the story in my copy of The Guardian newspaper - I'm really surprised about that. Also NO coverage in the i (Independent) newspaper, the Daily Mail, the Daily Express or the Daily Mirror.
THE MANCHESTER EVENING NEWS
This is the main local newspaper. The rather lengthy 940 word ONline version of the story has been somewhat drastically edited down to 350 words for the OFFline (printed) version. The headline has also been completely changed.
ONline: JWs criticised by charity commission over handling of sex abuse case
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/jehovahs-witnesses-criticised-charity-commission-13391368
OFFline, in print: Church paedophile 'questioned' victims
For reference, below is the printed newspaper story/text (full page scan at bottom for context):
Manchester Evening News (M.E.N.) - Thursday 27 July 2017 - Page 4
Church paedophile ‘questioned’ victims
Victims of a convicted paedophile were made to attend a Jehovah’s Witness meeting where they were interrogated by the man who abused them, a Charity Commission investigation has found.
Back in 2014, the M.E.N. revealed how three women who complained Jehovah’s Witness elder Jonathan Rose, 43, had molested them as children were forced to relive their experiences in detail as eight other senior congregation members looked on.
The women had wanted Rose barred from the Manchester church.
Following our report, national regulator the Charity Commission launched an inquiry into the church at the centre of the controversy. The investigation concluded that trustees had ‘badly let down’ the women, and makes findings of misconduct and mismanagement against them.
Back in 2013, Rose was jailed for nine months for abuse against two little girls. One was aged five, another aged 10, when he targeted them at the Manchester Jehovah’s Witness congregation he belonged to. A third woman had accused Rose of molesting her 20 years earlier, but he was acquitted.
Despite this history, following Rose’s release from jail, he was allowed to return to twice-weekly services at the congregation.
The Charity Commission has now concluded that the women were ‘effectively required’ to attend a hearing where they had to repeat the allegations in the presence of the abuser, and that he had been allowed to question them.
The Commission has found that the trustees of the congregation ‘did not deal adequately’ with allegations against Rose – and in the earliest case has dismissed the accusation as ‘a matter between teenagers.’ Neither did trustees fully enforce restrictions on Rose, who was seen knocking on doors on behalf of the Jehovah’s Witnesses following his conviction.
Since the investigation was launched however, the charity has improved it’s safeguarding policy, the Commission has found.
A statement from the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, he main legal body used worldwide by Jehovah’s Witnesses, said: “For years Jehovah’s Witnesses have had a robust child safeguarding policy. The trustees followed the policy by imposing restrictions on the perpetrator and by ensuring that he had no unsupervised contact with children during congregation meetings.”
I believe that the 2014 M.E.N. article referred to above was the one that was discussed here previously: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/280119/convicted-paedophile-allowed-grill-his-victims-jehovahs-witness-meeting
Manchester Evening News (M.E.N.) - Thursday 27 July 2017 - Page 4
there was a part about pine trees in california mountains at regional convention.
the brother/organization lied about how old they are.
he said oldest tree is 4200 years old when it is actually 5000 years old.
hoser: There was a part about pine trees in California mountains at regional convention. The brother/organization lied about how old they are. He said oldest tree is 4200 years old when it is actually 5000 years old.
That sounds FAKE - any links / outline / video?
The WT believes the flood was 2,370 BCE, yes? So that's 4,387 years ago
The WT said in print - scanned proof below - in 2004 that the 'Methuselah Tree' is over 4,700 years old
Where does 4,200 years ago come from? What's your proof?
Awake 22 March 2004, page 15
Methuselah on the Mountain
In the White Mountains of the western United States at 10,000 feet [3,000 m] above sea level lives what is thought to be the oldest tree in the world—a bristlecone pine called the Methuselah Tree, also known as the Old Man. Estimated to be over 4,700 years old, Methuselah is the senior member in a grove of ancient bristlecone pines known as the Methuselah Grove.
i ran a search and it seems that this was not posted before, there are 5 pages of criminal cases involving jws.. in the following criminal cases, the watchtower society - jehovah's witnesses religion served as the spiritual element of the perpetrator's and/or other actor's formative environment, or otherwise served as a major influencer of the perpetrator's and/or other actor's behavior.
the following cases are often tragic, and speak for themselves.. http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/familicide4.html.
Here are the links for two global JW crime maps:
Interestingly it would appear that, statistically, compared to the percentage make up of the general population compared to prison population in UK/England & Wales that:
There are proportionally less Christians in prison than in the general population.
There are proportionally more Muslims in prison than in the general population.
There are proportionally less Hindus in prison than in the general population.
There are proportionally more 'no religion-ists' in prison than in the general population.
There are proportionally less 'other religion-ists' in prison than in the general population.
NOTE: One possible major problem with the charts below is the significantly larger 'Not Recorded/Not Stated' percentage for the general population than for the prison population. Also, in prison, there may be certain 'advantages' in claiming a religious affiliation - for example time allowed for worship and food / diet.
Prison Population:
http://www.researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf
General Population:
