This has been picked up by the trade press:
I don't believe the above articles add anything new to what we already know from this topic's OP - but still interesting to see the coverage it's getting...
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Apostasy: The Movie - Directed by Daniel Kokotajlo
by darkspilver indaniel kokotajlo's new film apostasy has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. apostasy.
family and faith come into conflict for two jehovah’s witness sisters in manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.. this fresh, unadorned first feature from director dan kokotajlo carries an unmistakable note of authenticity from its very first scenes.
set in a jehovah's witness community in england, the film's strength and power lies in its directness.. apostasy depicts the growing rift in a family — a mother and two daughters — who are rigorously devoted to their religion.
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Sandra Melgar convicted of murder in husband's brutal stabbing
by darkspilver infyihouston woman convicted of murder in husband's brutal stabbing.
wednesday, august 23, 2017jurors discount her claim that intruder was responsiblemelgar maintained her innocence in the dec. 22, 2012 killing, which occurred the day before the couple's 32nd wedding anniversary.http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/houston-woman-convicted-of-murder-in-husband-s-11954131.php.
sandra melgar guilty of killing husband, faking home invasion on houston couple's anniversary night.
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FYI
Houston woman convicted of murder in husband's brutal stabbingWednesday, August 23, 2017
Jurors discount her claim that intruder was responsible
Melgar maintained her innocence in the Dec. 22, 2012 killing, which occurred the day before the couple's 32nd wedding anniversary.
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-woman-convicted-of-murder-in-husband-s-11954131.php
Sandra Melgar guilty of killing husband, faking home invasion on Houston couple's anniversary nightWednesday, August 23, 2017
A Harris County jury Wednesday convicted Sandra Melgar of murder in the 2012 stabbing death of her husband Jaime Melgar.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Verdict-handed-down-in-trial-of-wife-accused-of-11953566.php
Jury deliberating in murder trial of Houston wife accused of stabbing husbandTuesday, August 22, 2017
Prosecutor Colleen Barnett said Melgar was motivated to kill her husband and stage a break-in for a $500,000 life insurance policy. She also said Melgar's religious beliefs as a Jehovah's Witness made her look for a way to get out of the marriage without a divorce, which would have left her ostracized.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Jury-deliberating-in-murder-trial-of-Houston-wife-11950857.php
Described as 'model family,' wife now charged in husband's deathFriday, August 1, 2014
Her son is dead and daughter-in-law is charged with murder, facts that Ines Melgar just can't fathom.
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Described-as-model-family-wife-now-charged-in-5663724.php
Couple tied up in home, husband killedMonday, December 24, 2012
A husband was tied up and stabbed to death and his wife was found restrained in a closet last night in their Kelsey Meadows home in what appears to be a deadly home invasion.
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Jah Jireh Care Homes
by pale.emperor inhttp://www.jah-jireh.org/.
they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.
these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.
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The Fall Guy: I had limited (personal) dealings with the home in Cumbria, north-east England several years ago. http://www.jah-jireh-maryport.co.uk
I believe that that one is independent of the OP's Jah-Jireh homes
As I understand it:
Jah-Jireh Charity Homes (AKA Eddie Delaney) runs the care homes in Wigan, Leyland, Blackpool and Methyr
Miss Joanna Hindmoor runs the care home at Maryport, Cumbria
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Jah Jireh Care Homes
by pale.emperor inhttp://www.jah-jireh.org/.
they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.
these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.
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tijkmo: surely he can't still be alive
Bill Bull an ex DO was a trustee in UK last time I checked
He died on Wednesday 5 August 2015
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Jah Jireh Care Homes
by pale.emperor inhttp://www.jah-jireh.org/.
they have care homes in england and wales: wigan, leyland, blackpool, methyr.and one in canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/.
these are not funded or subsidized by watchtower.
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pale.emperor: http://www.jah-jireh.org/
They have care homes in England and Wales: Wigan, Leyland, Blackpool, Methyr.
And one in Canada http://www.jah-jireh.on.ca/There are similiar ones around the world and the UK:
The first residential care homes specifically designed for Jehovah's Witnesses were founded in 1985 by Jah-Jireh Charity Homes of Great Britain. These homes are a testament to the blessings that come from the generosity, support and hard work of our brotherhood. Similar nonprofit homes are located in the Czech Republic, Poland, Netherlands, Canada, South Korea, and Denmark, with more under development in other countries. While each of these organizations is independently operated, there is a common recognition of the needs of our aging brothers and sisters.
http://www.jah-jireh-maryport.co.uk
Also, what about the WT's Fishkill Estate in upstate New York?
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interesting EX-CO AMA ( Ask Me Anything) over on exjwreddit
by Diogenesister inex-circuit overseer here, ama.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6usaky/excircuit_overseer_here_ama/.
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More AMA Answers....
When you mentioned how common adultery and fornication were in your assignment, do you think that was a product of the culture there, or do you think it's just as common here in the states?I tend to think adultery is more common there. I always had to have substitute speakers ready for assemblies because some elder would always be caught or confess to adultery. Prominent elders to not so prominent elders. I served as an elder here in the US and although there is adultery, I know hundreds of elders here and it's a very small percentage in comparison. I rarely heard of an elder here being disfellowshipped.
As far as fornication is concerned, my guess would be that over 90% of young people engage in sexual activity. Each week in each congregation I had to review recommendations for elder and servant and sometimes regular pioneer. It was extremely rare to see someone who did not have some judicial action in their past. I think the percentage is about the same here in the US, maybe a little lower.
Can you give any advice on how to best stay under the radar when the local circuit overseer visits? And maybe also regarding the elders. I want to avoid any shepherding call or making appointments with a grinning or kind of demanding person standing before me.Stay away. Or go and don't comment. Don't stand out in any way. I used to stand in the back of the Hall and look around and listen. Who is commenting? Who isn't? Who seems to be "reaching out?"
I didn't really look for rebellious ones who could cause problems, but if someone stood out by not sitting down and paying attention I might ask about them.
The advice given on this forum is gold. If the CO wants to talk to you ty to avoid it, and if you can't get out of it, just nod. Don't give any info.
This now marks the end of the Ask Me Anything (AMA) thread:Sorry it took me so much time to answer all of your questions on the AMA. I think I answered them all though. If I didn't, remind me please.
I know my writing is sometimes disjointed, I have two jobs and two little children and not a ton of education nor time. Plus my thoughts on your questions are sometimes disjointed, some things you ask I have never thought about. Some questions I answer no and then later realize I DID experience whatever you were asking.
OK so back to the circuit work. I think some in here are picturing a Circuit Overseer driving up in his Buick in his suit, a mature, experienced man who commands respect, his wife at his side, speaking in serious tones as he greets the elders then the rest of the congregation. I know not all are like that but you get the idea.
That wasn't me. In my assignment the new CO's were and are young, strong elders under 30 who are assigned to rural areas and can walk for miles in the heat and sleep on a cot. I rode the bus to my assignments my first two years in the circuit. Once I actually rode on the OUTSIDE of a bus, hanging on as I got covered in dust. I slept on a hard cot in the same room as the hosts with a curtain dividing us. I used outhouses and took bucket showers, no hot water in those areas. I walked all day on dusty roads and then gave talks on someone's back porch that doubled as a Kingdom Hall with a yeartext tacked onto the wall and their boom box for the songs. No microphone. Eventually I got the bigger circuits in the city and I got a car which I actually brought from the States, a salvage vehicle. Ask some of the posters on here who have served in those countries. They no doubt have crazy stories also.
Even worse was my life experience. I had hardly any. Raised a JW, not married, and working part time. I was arrogant and ignorant, the worst combination for a human being and even worse for a Circuit Overseer. I had my 600 pages of notes from MTS and my binder of letters from the Society to all Circuit Overseers. I was a true believer, clueless to the real world, clueless to real moral values and ethics. I was good at spouting Witness doctrine and I acted humble, inside I thought I was the coolest dude around. A missionary CO, what could be better than that?
So some of my answers reflect more my experiences as a missionary rather than a CO. I certainly tried to act like one, in fact I would meet with the CO when I was on vacation back home. I would literally hunt him down in whatever Hall he was at and ask him tons of questions on policy and procedure. All CO's are required to have several "service talks" on hand to use and adapt to local needs. I didn't have any when I started. I just copied talks I heard from CO's here in the States and passed them off as mine.
When I came back here to the States and re-entered the work force I was a joke. I missed a lot of work on purpose to prove how "spiritual" I still was. I talked like an elder to my co-workers. I had instant problems getting along with others and respecting boundaries. During work meetings I would agree with whatever the boss said, and raise my hand to support whatever he was saying and wondered why everyone laughed and called me a brown-noser. So much for my CO experience. At least now I have woken up. I am so thankful for all of you for helping me over the years.
So anyway, my experience as a CO was in a foreign country, although I did have a lot of interaction with CO's here and I did serve in Bethel here.
I definitely have some issues to work out, but thanks to all of you I feel I am headed in the right direction.
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How Long it will take to the GB change the interpretation of the Beast as the UN?
by Ray Frankz ini just realized now, (ironically by checking on jw.org) that the echr (european court of human rights), the government agency that has been literally saving the jws to be banned in so many countries - and they are very thankful for that, as they say in their recent purple history book - is an agency of the un!.
as it is well known, the gb consider the un as a high-class enemy of god's kingdom, believing it is the beast mentioned in revelation.
this interpretation was totally from f. franz and n. knorr, this last one still being reagarded every now and then as the one who gave the speech with this "new light".
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Err...
The GB says it is 'Gog of Magog' that is a "Coalition of Nations". Not the UN.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/105160002/who-gog-magog-watchtower-may-2015
Although, of course - by it's very definition - the UN is a 'coalition of nations'
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How Long it will take to the GB change the interpretation of the Beast as the UN?
by Ray Frankz ini just realized now, (ironically by checking on jw.org) that the echr (european court of human rights), the government agency that has been literally saving the jws to be banned in so many countries - and they are very thankful for that, as they say in their recent purple history book - is an agency of the un!.
as it is well known, the gb consider the un as a high-class enemy of god's kingdom, believing it is the beast mentioned in revelation.
this interpretation was totally from f. franz and n. knorr, this last one still being reagarded every now and then as the one who gave the speech with this "new light".
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Ray Frankz: You just have to type "UN" on the search engine of the website. It's incrible as there isn't anything about the UN as the "Beast"
Doesn't it?? Really?
Christian Life and Ministry Meeting: 6 to 12 November 2017Congregation Bible Study: God’s Kingdom Rules! Chapter 21, paragraphs 1-7
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/november-2017-mwb/meeting-schedule-nov6-12/
God’s Kingdom Rules! Chapter 21, page 223, paragraph 66 Who or what will carry out the attack against “Babylon the Great”? A “wild beast” with “ten horns.” The book of Revelation indicates that this wild beast refers to the United Nations (UN). The ten horns represent all present political powers that support this “scarlet-colored wild beast.” (Rev. 17:3, 5, 11, 12) How devastating will the attack be? The nations of the UN will plunder the prostitute’s wealth, devour her, and “completely burn her.”-—Read Revelation 17:16.
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How Long it will take to the GB change the interpretation of the Beast as the UN?
by Ray Frankz ini just realized now, (ironically by checking on jw.org) that the echr (european court of human rights), the government agency that has been literally saving the jws to be banned in so many countries - and they are very thankful for that, as they say in their recent purple history book - is an agency of the un!.
as it is well known, the gb consider the un as a high-class enemy of god's kingdom, believing it is the beast mentioned in revelation.
this interpretation was totally from f. franz and n. knorr, this last one still being reagarded every now and then as the one who gave the speech with this "new light".
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Ray Frankz: I just realized now that the UN human rights comitee isn't the same as the ECHR
haha, yeah.....
The European Court of Human Rights ECHR, which is part of the Council of Europe - not to be confused with the European Union - is not an 'agency' of the United Nations.
There is though formalised cooperation, by means of resolution, between these two independent international organizations.
http://www.coe.int/en/web/der/united-nations
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How Long it will take to the GB change the interpretation of the Beast as the UN?
by Ray Frankz ini just realized now, (ironically by checking on jw.org) that the echr (european court of human rights), the government agency that has been literally saving the jws to be banned in so many countries - and they are very thankful for that, as they say in their recent purple history book - is an agency of the un!.
as it is well known, the gb consider the un as a high-class enemy of god's kingdom, believing it is the beast mentioned in revelation.
this interpretation was totally from f. franz and n. knorr, this last one still being reagarded every now and then as the one who gave the speech with this "new light".
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Ray Frankz: the ECHR (European Court of Human Rights)... is an agency of the UN!
Is it??, Really?