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  London K.H.'s - Which Ones Will Be Sold Off?

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the org's website, various congregations will be moving in with other congregations, effective january 1st 2017.

  (i've only highlighted a couple) in all probability, their own k.h.

  is/has been sold.

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  stan livedeath: will end up renting a place somewhere to worship. paying the rent themselves of course.
  

  Rent?? Nah, looks like they'll just move to already existing KHs....
  

  Richmond Park moves 2.6 miles (by road) to the Tolworth KH

  Bagshot moves 3.6 miles (by road) to the Camberley KH

  Chertsey moves 5.1 miles (by road) to the Staines KH (yeah - AKA Ali G's Staines Massiv!!)

  steve2: A flourishing membership does not look to reduce the number of meeting places.

  Yes, but probably also more indicative of 'over-expansion' - the above closures appear to be all single use/single congregation KHs - in marked contrast to the OP's list right at the start of this thread which where all double or triple or more use KHs
  
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  More than half of UK population is non-religious

  by bemused in

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  2. beliefs

  the british humanist association web-site has reported on the results of the british social attitudes survey, which is a major annual survey, the latest report covering the year 2013:.

  https://humanism.org.uk/campaigns/religion-and-belief-some-surveys-and-statistics/the-british-social-attitudes-survey/.

  for the first time, those people saying they are not members of any religious group are in the majority in the uk, up by three percentage points from 47.7% to 50.6% in just one year.

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  bemused: the British Social Attitudes Survey, which is a major annual survey, the latest report covering the year 2013... For the first time, those people saying they are not members of any religious group are in the majority in the UK
  

  Somewhat unsurprisingly the lastest British Social Attitudes survey released today - September 4, 2017 - shows the tend is continuing....
  
  British Social Attitudes: Record number of Brits with no religion
  

  National Centre for Social Research, Monday, September 4, 2017

  The latest data on religious affiliation from NatCen’s British Social Attitudes survey reveals that the proportion of people in Britain who describe themselves as having no religion is at its highest ever level.

  More than half (53%) of the British public now describe themselves as having “no religion”, up from 48% in 2015. The proportion of non-believers has increased gradually since the survey began in 1983, when the proportion saying they had no religion stood at 31%.

  READ MORE: http://natcen.ac.uk/news-media/press-releases/2017/september/british-social-attitudes-record-number-of-brits-with-no-religion/

  DATA TABLE PDF: http://natcen.ac.uk/media/1469605/BSA-religion.pdf
  

  The media are picking up on the Survey - for example:
  

  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/04/half-uk-population-has-no-religion-british-social-attitudes-survey

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/04/britain-has-non-believers-ever-church-england-christians-make/
  
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  London K.H.'s - Which Ones Will Be Sold Off?

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the org's website, various congregations will be moving in with other congregations, effective january 1st 2017.

  (i've only highlighted a couple) in all probability, their own k.h.

  is/has been sold.

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  Hi GoneAwol - The Searcher's OP was focusing on London KH's for sale
  

  But, yeah, Bonsors seem to currently have three KHs for sale on their books:

  1: Richmond Park KH in Kingston-upon-Thames, London (see my post above) (asking £1,000,000)
  

  2: Bagshot KH (currently empty) in Bagshot, Surrey (as per your post) (asking £600,000)
  

  http://www.bonsors.com/propertyInfo/277/Kingdom-Hall-Gloucester-Gardens--Bagshot

  3: Chertsey KH in Chertsey, Surrey (asking £620,000)
  

  http://www.bonsors.com/propertyInfo/278/Kingdom-Hall-108a-Station-Road-Chertsey-Surrey
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  Hydroxyethyl Starch (HES): "250 Unnecessary Deaths in the UK EVERY Year"

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  orphan crow: over the course of the past four decades, hydroxyethyl starch has been used for the jehovah’s witness population... it is clear that the use of hydroxethyl starch adds extra risk to the patient.

  some numbers...... this is for the uk onlyiv fluids used by nhs responsible for unnecessary deaths.

  london school of hygiene & tropical medicine, 28 february 2013starch-based intravenous (iv) fluids used by the nhs to treat seriously ill patients are causing unnecessary deaths, according to a new cochrane systematic review by researchers at the school.. based on data from 25 randomised control trials, the researchers concluded that starch-based colloid fluids, used to stabilise patients with low blood pressure, are not only more expensive than saline-based crystalloid fluids, but may also be causing around 250 unnecessary deaths in the uk every year.. the safety of using colloids containing hydroxyethyl starch has been debated for years.

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  Orphan Crow: Over the course of the past four decades, hydroxyethyl starch has been used for the Jehovah’s Witness population... It is clear that the use of hydroxethyl starch adds extra risk to the patient
  

  Some numbers...... this is for the UK ONLY
  
  IV fluids used by NHS responsible for unnecessary deaths
  

  London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, 28 February 2013
  

  Starch-based intravenous (IV) fluids used by the NHS to treat seriously ill patients are causing unnecessary deaths, according to a new Cochrane systematic review by researchers at the School.

  Based on data from 25 randomised control trials, the researchers concluded that starch-based colloid fluids, used to stabilise patients with low blood pressure, are not only more expensive than saline-based crystalloid fluids, but may also be causing around 250 unnecessary deaths in the UK every year.

  The safety of using colloids containing hydroxyethyl starch has been debated for years. They are widely used to treat shock following severe blood loss by increasing blood volume but recent large high quality studies have linked starch use to renal failure. The trials also found more adverse reactions with starch. Crystalloids work in the same way but do not contain starch.

  Calculation for number of deaths:
  Number of adult admissions to NHS critical care units each year = 115,674
  Number of patients receiving fluid resuscitation = 42,799
  Number of patients receiving colloid = 32,099
  Number of patients receiving starch = 12,840
  RR of death with STARCH=1.10
  Risk of death in unexposed is 20%
  For every 50 patients treated there is one extra death
  Therefore starch use in British hospitals kill about 12840/50 = 257 patients each year.
  

  https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2013/colloid_use_news.html
  

  Hydroxyethyl starch (HES) products were initially withdrawn by NHS on 27 June 2013
  https://www.gov.uk/drug-device-alerts/drug-alert-hydroxyethyl-starch-hes-products-increased-risk-of-renal-dysfunction-and-mortality
  
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  The Watchtower's Medical Expert

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a new article by s. sparrow, published today at ajwrb, investigates dr. joachim boldt, one of the watchtower's “bloodless medicine” experts.

  a notorious “medical pretender” who has exposed jw's to additional needless risk.

  watchtower continues to cite this source, and fails to expose him as a fraud.

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  Ruby456 - the HES starches have been withdrawn now, but they where not in 2012, only afterwards.
  
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  London K.H.'s - Which Ones Will Be Sold Off?

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the org's website, various congregations will be moving in with other congregations, effective january 1st 2017.

  (i've only highlighted a couple) in all probability, their own k.h.

  is/has been sold.

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  konceptual99: I think Searcher has misread some of the info on the org website.
  

  It's a pity that The Searcher doesn't seem to be around any more
  

  Although I don't believe any of the 35 London KHs in the OP are up for sale yet (are they all still being shared by two or more congregations?)
  

  Interestingly, in this thread, I did list four London KHs that where being used by just one congregation each (the most likely to be sold?):
  

  London, East Molesey at 70 High Street, WEST MOLESEY KT8 2LY

  London, Richmond Park at 29a Alexandra Road, KINGSTON UPON THAMES KT2 6SD

  London, Swanley at Bremner Close, London Road, SWANLEY BR8 8TG

  London, Tolworth at 16A Derby Road, Tolworth, SURBITON KT5 9AY

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5760931004940288/_post/4707357072293888
  

  And now Richmond Park's KH in Kingston-upon-Thames is up for sale!
  

  Seems likely that the congregation will move to the neighboring Tolworth KH - also listed above - which is 2.6 miles away.

  MORE: https://propertylink.estatesgazette.com/property-details/6276827-the-kingdom-hall-29a-alexandra-road-kingston-upon-thames-kt2-6sd

  PDF: http://bulkloader.prd.pl.artirix.com.s3.amazonaws.com/73693df5-6cc5-4c74-9f2f-d8d5bd177174_Details.pdf

  Looks like WT is asking £1,000,000 for the Richmond Park KH (US $ 1.3 million)
  
  hat tip https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4803910902480896/wtbts-britain-selling-another-kingdom-hall
  
  
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  The Watchtower's Medical Expert

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a new article by s. sparrow, published today at ajwrb, investigates dr. joachim boldt, one of the watchtower's “bloodless medicine” experts.

  a notorious “medical pretender” who has exposed jw's to additional needless risk.

  watchtower continues to cite this source, and fails to expose him as a fraud.

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  Ruby456: I found that a 2012 article does recommend HES starches despite that these are banned in Europe.
  

  No.

  Firstly, the 2012 article date is a 'red-herring' - as per above posts - the article is from a 1990 WT publication.

  Secondly, Hydroxyethyl Starch HES was NOT banned in Europe in 2012 - it was still available to use all during 2012......

  For example in the UK, what Orphan Crow's OP article unfortunately appears to fail to mention is that Hydroxyethyl Starch HES was only withdrawn for use by the UK's public National Health Service (NHS) on 27 June 2013.

  https://www.gov.uk/drug-device-alerts/drug-alert-hydroxyethyl-starch-hes-products-increased-risk-of-renal-dysfunction-and-mortality
  
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  Apostasy: The Movie - Directed by Daniel Kokotajlo

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  daniel kokotajlo's new film apostasy has it's world premiere at the toronto international film festival in september 2017. apostasy.

  family and faith come into conflict for two jehovah’s witness sisters in manchester, when one is condemned for fornication and the other pressured to shun her sibling.. this fresh, unadorned first feature from director dan kokotajlo carries an unmistakable note of authenticity from its very first scenes.

  set in a jehovah's witness community in england, the film's strength and power lies in its directness.. apostasy depicts the growing rift in a family — a mother and two daughters — who are rigorously devoted to their religion.

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  FWIW - update on screenings and tickets....
  
  WORLD PREMIERE of Apostasy
  

  Toronto International Film Festival (7 to 17 September 2017)

  Friday, September 8, 2017 at 7.00pm at the Scotiabank Theatre

  Saturday, September 9, 2017 at 1.15pm (press and industry only)

  Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 11.45am at the TIFF Bell Lightbox

  Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 2.00pm (press and industry only)

  Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 6.30pm at the Scotiabank Theatre

  General Public tickets go on sale in a couple of hours time on Monday, September 4, 2017 at 10.00am EDT
  

  http://www.tiff.net/tiff/apostasy/

  https://www.ticketmaster.ca/search?tm_link=tm_header_search&user_input=apostasy&q=apostasy
  

  
  EUROPEAN PREMIERE of Apostasy
  

  San Sebastian Film Festival (22 to 30 September 2017)

  Screening dates and times for Apostasy to be announced!

  Tickets on sale from Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 9.00am

  https://www.sansebastianfestival.com/2017/sections_and_films/new_directors/7/654616/in
  

  
  UK PREMIERE of Apostasy
  

  BFI London Film Festival (4 to 15 October 2017)

  Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 6.00pm at the Shaftesbury Avenue Picturehouse Central
  

  Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 3.15pm at the Leicester Square Vue
  

  Saturday, October 14, 2017 at 12.45pm at the Hackney Picturehouse

  Tickets on sale from Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 10.00am

  https://whatson.bfi.org.uk/lff/Online/apostasy
  

  
  Check above websites for the latest information
  
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  JW "Apostates" - Toronto International Film Festival

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

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  found this in variety website..... .

  http://variety.com/2017/film/news/cornerstone-films-worldwide-sales-jehovahs-witness-film-apostasy-1202536715/.

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  Thanks for reposting

  there's more discussion here:
  

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6224640852623360/apostasy-movie-directed-daniel-kokotajlo
  
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  Revision and new info for Chapter 25 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  2. friends

  my upbringing in the church had taught me that they were detestable in god’s eyes.

  they drove the point home with scripture after scripture.

  leviticus 20:13 "if a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act.

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  Mark Palo interviewed by Rick Fearon and Chelsea Danvers PART TWO
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KHFz1PTNXI