Posts by darkspilver

In January 1999 there was an adjustment in the hour requirement for regular pioneers (reducing it from 90 to 70 hours per month) and for auxiliary pioneers (from 60 to 50).

I think the 30 hour aux pio provision for Memorial and CO visit came into operation from around 2012 and the 15-minute publisher provision came in around 2001.

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Stagnation of JWs in Britain

by darkspilver in

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this is an 'off-topic' continuation of this discussion.

steve2: in britain, growth of publishers is slowing down, if not stagnating.

darkspilver: .

darkspilver

Phoebe: There is no enthusiasm for preaching among the brothers in the UK. Maybe in the foreign field but not in general... Or the well know 'pioneer shuffle' which we've all done because let's face it, no one likes the ministry.

Interesting, and I do not deny your observation.

As I said in my OP - as a whole - over the last 13 years, publishers in the UK are now apparently on average EACH spending 25% more time in the 'preaching work'.

As per the thread title, this is stagnation: increasing preaching but with decreasing growth (the ratio pub-to-pop).

In 2016 it was 184 hours-a-month. Although generally increasing over the last decade, it is still short of the late 1980s when it got up to 205 hours-a-month

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Irish Elders deleted by Watchtower for reporting child sex abuse allegation to police

by Diogenesister in

two elders have been deleted by watchtower for reporting an allegation of child sexual abuse to the police, contrary to watchtower orders (a jw paedophile with a history, apparently).

when the british branch discovered what the elders had done they arranged for 3 elders to fly over to ireland, at the congregations expense no less, to hold a special jc for the ' rogue' congregation elders.

one elder and the cobe were deleted, two were allowed to continue.

darkspilver

I believe the OP is based on this thread from a couple of days ago

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4876842550951936/ireland-failure-bear-witness

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Polish EX-JW Activism compilation video

by WTS Archive in

i'd like to show you a short video i made about exjw activism in poland.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt3qdtyxgd8.

i'm one of the people responsible for those information campaigns/protests, so you can ask me anything you like.

there's a lot i didn't show on the video because of the limited time i have for editing, i have tons of footage more.

darkspilver

Thank you to both Saename and John Free

steve2: would darkspilver care to comment?

OK, if I have too....

darkspilver: The Polish are/where coming to Britain where there now 50 Polish congegations....

This was a light-hearted comment due to the significant Polish migration that has taken place over the last decade-or-so.

There were an estimated 831,000 Polish-born residents in 2015 - a jump of almost 750,000 compared with the number in 2004, the year the country joined the EU.
READ MORE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37183733
SEE ALSO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_the_United_Kingdom
SEE ALSO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrations_from_Poland_since_EU_accession

SUBTEXT: A reference to using 'congregation' as a statistical measure in this current forum thread

steve2: Yet even in Britain, growth of publishers is slowing down, if not stagnating
darkspilver:
Britain has seen 13 consecutive years of increase in average publishers reporting.
Over the last 13 years Britain has seen the ratio of publishers-to-population go from 1-in-456 to 1-in-471.
"lies, damned lies, and statistics"

Two statistics, apparently proving opposite things, but when taken together, actually proving the point they where made in reference too.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5666875209940992/stagnation-jws-britain

The quote is referencing the fact that the two 'opposing' statistics are actually both correct - the first one in particular being used to prove 'growth', while ignoring, or being unfamiliar with, the second one.

SUBTEXT: A slight reference to the statistics being used in this recently revived forum thread

steve2: Curiously, darkspilver also provided data that perhaps inadvertently supports my post:

Inadvertently? I never do anything 'inadvertently'

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Stagnation of JWs in Britain

by darkspilver in

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this is an 'off-topic' continuation of this discussion.

steve2: in britain, growth of publishers is slowing down, if not stagnating.

darkspilver: .

darkspilver

This is an 'off-topic' continuation of this discussion

steve2: In Britain, growth of publishers is slowing down, if not stagnating
darkspilver:
Britain has seen 13 consecutive years of increase in average publishers reporting.
Over the last 13 years Britain has seen the ratio of publishers-to-population go from 1-in-456 to 1-in-471.
"lies, damned lies, and statistics"
steve2: Putting snide quotes aside about "lies, damned lies and statistics" would darkspilver care to comment?

What is stagnation?: "A lack of growth, or development." / "A period during which the economy grows slowly, doesn't grow at all, or actually contracts after adjusting for inflation."

I believe the two statistics I provided above, although seemingly contradicatory, are actually an almost perfect example of stagnation within the religious context. (that is, in contrast to being a 'pure decrease')

While there is growth, it is not keeping up with the marketplace (ie the population) growing, it is not 'developing.' - there is a 'lack of growth'.

Thus while the JWs are still active, with a consistant year-on-year increase over a 13-year period (ie: growth), once the increase in the population is taken into account (ie inflation of market place, the pub-to-pop ratio) then there is actually a decrease - ie: stagnation.

This stagnation is compounded by - and is happening despite - the additional fact that, over the same 13 years, there has been a significant 'per-publisher' 25% increase in ministry time being reported. Thus there should be more increase than there is taking place - ie: stagnation.

I added the quote because people can be quick to pick up on individual statistics, without seeing the context (ie the statistical data as a whole).

steve2: Follow peak publishers year by year

This is a side issue, but, no, please don't follow 'peak publishers'.

Actually, the WT do not count publishers. There is no 'head-count'.

What they do count is how many S-4 Report Forms (time-slips) are submitted each month.

If a publisher forgets to Report last month, and therefore submits two Reports (for last month and this month) they get double-counted as TWO publishers for this month.

If a publisher forgets to Report the last two month, and therefore submits three Reports (for last month, the month month before, and this month) they get triple-counted as THREE publishers for this month.

The most number of Reports a publisher would normally submit at once is six - done to negate becoming 'inactive' (ie no Reports from the last six months)

Thus the 'peak publishers' number includes a lot of double and triple-counting.

See Question from Readers: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011609

I believe it is therefore a statistical fallacy to use 'peak publishers' - it is much better to use 'average publishers'.

BTW I was JOKING - the WT DOES count publishers, of course they do, they just don't normally print it......

Each month each congregation submits TWO 'publisher' totals
the total number of Reports Submitted (ie this is the number that gets printed/used above); and
the total number of 'Active Publishers' (ie the total number of actual publishers in the congregation (with no double counting) who have submitted at least one Report within the last six months). This is generally taken as being the 'publisher-size' of the congregation.

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Lawyer from Canada Bethel turns whistleblower

by krismalone in

lawyer from canada watchtower branch reveals how the watchtower protects pedophiles.

he had the courage to speak up against the evil policies that protect pedophiles.

this video needs to go viral.

darkspilver

The OP video is a short excerpt from CBC's The Fifth Estate's "Spiritual Shepherds" that was originally broadcast on January 29, 2003.

You can also view a good quality video version of the 45 minute programme on the CBC webpage below:

The OP's extract is at the 21:20 time mark.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/blog/spiritual-shepherds

You can also watch it on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ZIxIy_BQE

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Hellaby UK circuit A$$emb£y this Sunday

by punkofnice in

my spies tell me that the attendance for hellaby this last sunday was only 600.. that's all i know.

i imagine some on here have perhaps some more insights into why.

however, it seems rather low, don't you think?.

darkspilver

Gayle: wow, low attendance, how much seating capacity, one commenter on a googled site indicated 1200 attenders possible at one time

Google eh?

Construction began in September 1985 on what has come to be known as the East Pennine Assembly Hall. It is a steel-frame structure seating 1,642 persons, with a 350-seat Kingdom Hall for the local congregation. The building was designed with a roof that has a 42-meter [138 foot] span.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200270535/49/0

The number of seats may have been reduced since it was first built.

In Britain they normally divide each circuit up into two assemblies (an 'A' and a 'B' part) so 900 to 1,300 attendance is probably 'expected' in the English speaking circuits.

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Polish EX-JW Activism compilation video

by WTS Archive in

i'd like to show you a short video i made about exjw activism in poland.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt3qdtyxgd8.

i'm one of the people responsible for those information campaigns/protests, so you can ask me anything you like.

there's a lot i didn't show on the video because of the limited time i have for editing, i have tons of footage more.

darkspilver

steve2: Yet even in Britain, growth of publishers has stalled.

Britain has seen 13 consecutive years of increase in average publishers reporting.

Over the last 13 years Britain has seen the ratio of publishers-to-population go from 1-in-456 to 1-in-471.

"lies, damned lies, and statistics"

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Polish EX-JW Activism compilation video

by WTS Archive in

i'd like to show you a short video i made about exjw activism in poland.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt3qdtyxgd8.

i'm one of the people responsible for those information campaigns/protests, so you can ask me anything you like.

there's a lot i didn't show on the video because of the limited time i have for editing, i have tons of footage more.

darkspilver

The Polish are/where coming to Britain where there now 50 Polish congegations....

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6349425083416576/_post/6343951348924416