Posts by darkspilver

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Anniversary of the greatest invention in human history

by JeffT in

sliced bread sold for the first time, july 7, 1928.http://history1900s.about.com/od/1920s/qt/slicedbread.htm .

darkspilver

haha

from the article "The World Since 1914 - Part 1: 1920 to 1928 - The Roaring Twenties"

DarK SpilveR

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Jesus Knows the Day & Hour Now?

by KillerJones in

i was skimming the july 2016 wt study article and came across a paragraph indicating that, despite scriptural evidence, the governing body indeed feels that god's son now knows the exact day and hour of armageddon.

is this 'new light'?

from the second study article, page 14, pgh 4:.

darkspilver

Yes, technically, he can't know the "day or hour", because that varies depending on location at the time!

Nice try, but.....

No - that's why we have Greenwich in London and Greenwich Mean Time

DarK SpilveR

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Sagging Trousers

by Lostandfound in

some us towns banning sagging trousers, has anyone told tony morris 3 of the practise of this sort of apparel so he can ban it.

my waist sags but not my trousers.

too tight, sagging, satanic snares!

darkspilver

Who needs tight trousers - loose fitting and freeballing/commando is the way to go as Prince Andrew demonstrated at this year's Royal Ascot

See second picture down at:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3646822/Fergie-excited-greet-Queen-Royal-Ascot.html

or maybe not

DarK SpilveR

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Hideout for predator

by ab.ortega in

i read this comment posted on a news site: .

if the police show up at the kingdom hall looking for a sexual predator, the elders will escort them out an emergency exist and tell them to "hide out until the coast is clear.".

is this true, is there printed instructions to support it?

darkspilver

It would seem to be a fairly poor bastardization of

BoE Nov 6, 2014 letter: 'Procedures when legal issues are involved'

In particular paragraphs 10,11, 15 & 16

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/22480001/boe-2014-11-06-procedures-when-legal-issues-involved?page=1

DarK SpilveR

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

darkspilver

The first moot point is the apparently very sloppy - to a lay person like me - vetting procedure/s that apparently professional organizations have in place (or don't have in place) to allow this to begin with - as such the whole study is somewhat 'dodgy' - but obviously the retraction didn't go into details.

The second is... yes I think, in lay terms, I understand the principles behind the Nuremberg Code - basically to stop un-consented medical experimentation, including being within A/B control groups for drug testing etc etc. Basically it stops medical professionals from choosing who to treat, and how, and who not to treat. And, yes, this is extremely important ethically.

But that wasn't the case in this study was it? - the medical professionals wanted to give all the patients the full medical attention that was possible, and apparently everything was done that was possible for each and every patient. Rather, it was the patients, in the case of the Witnesses, who chose not to have certain medical therapies, ie they pre-selected themselves.

The issue is there's a huge amount of medical data available - particularly in countries with state sponsored cradle-to-care national health schemes..... some might view it as immoral not to be able to anonymously data mine that valuable information to ultimately, if not actually save lives, then to at least hugely improve lives.

From The Times, February 8 2014
Patients opting out of a scheme to share medical data for research are being selfish, according to a leading GP, who compared them to parents who refuse to give their children the MMR jab.

Dr Clare Gerada said that the “amazing and transformational” plan would save lives and could have headed off the thalidomide scandal. The former chairwoman of the Royal College of GPs says that it is scaremongering to think confidential medical records will be sold to insurance companies.

Dr Gerada said that the NHS had mishandled explaining the scheme, but insisted that patients had nothing to fear. “For the first time we will be able to capitalise on a unique feature of the NHS — comprehensive records, collected from ‘cradle to grave’, allowing us to combine GP data on patients with hospital data, which is what the long-overdue initiative aims to solve.”

Dr Gerada writes that the scheme will make medicines safer and improve treatment: “If we had had this system 55 years ago, at almost the push of a button we could have identified the link between a medicine commonly prescribed by GPs for morning sickness (Debendox) with catastrophic birth defects a few months later (thalidomide).”

Patients can opt to take their records out of the scheme, but Dr Gerada urged them not to. “It is selfish. It’s a bit like people who don’t give their kids MMR for herd immunity. There are some things we have to do for the sake of the greater ‘we’,” she says. “Part of the compact to get a universal, free health service is to allow data to be used to monitor diseases, plan services and look at trends in new and old illnesses. The risk of a breach is minimal.”

DarK SpilveR

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You have a headache?

I've got some headache pills - bottle A and bottle B

You want to know which are are best?

Oh, I know, because people have told me - I know which are best and which are terrible.

No, I can't tell you! - I didn't get permission from those people to pass that information on to you

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Retracted: "Safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in Jehovah’s Witness patients"

by OrphanCrow in

i found a retracted medical study that is cited by the bloodless/blood management world.. i wonder when they will get around to recognizing the retraction in the blood management world.

this study is still being used as a reference - the latest study that cited it was published in 2016.. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/abstract.

notice of retraction the following article from anaesthesia, ‘safety of cardiac surgery without blood transfusion: a retrospective study in jehovah’s witness patients’, by el azab sr, vrakking r, verhage [sic] g and rosseel pmj, published online in wiley online library (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2044.2009.06232.x/full) on 17 march 2010 and in volume 65, number 4, pages 348-52, has been retracted by agreement between three of the named authors (r vrakking, g verhaegh and pmj rosseel), the journal editor-in-chief, steve yentis, and blackwell publishing ltd. the retraction has been agreed following confirmation by the amphia hospital ethics committee that the study did not have ethical approval as claimed.

darkspilver

Interesting ....

Apparently data mining anonymous medical records can be hugely effective in improving health care and implementing preventive measures etc for the greater good - this includes retrospective and historical data were often times permissions can not be obtained.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2086454-revealed-google-ai-has-access-to-huge-haul-of-nhs-patient-data/

Just because the correct ethical permissions were not obtained in this case, doesn't invalidate the results - ie it doesn't mean the study is wrong, and the retraction seems clear on that, there is no claim that the results are wrong?

More questionable is how the vetting procedure was / is implemented at the Association of Anaesthetists of Great Britain & Ireland? (and by extension by Wiley and Blackwell Publishing)

Three out of four of this studies authors claim they did not write it.

Why were they not individually contacted and asked prior to publication?

Isn't that basic vetting??

How many other studies have been retracted?

Here's an interesting internet search to do...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=THIS+ARTICLE+HAS+BEEN+RETRACTED+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fonlinelibrary.wiley.com#q=%22THIS+ARTICLE+HAS+BEEN+RETRACTED%22+site:http:%2F%2Fonlinelibrary.wiley.com

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Revelation 5:9,10 and the 144,000

by Darkknight757 in

i hesitate to ask this question.

during some recent research on youtube i came across a few videos explaining how watchtower manipulated revelation 5:10. revelation 5:10 "you have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our god,and they will reign on the earth.”" -niv.

the nwt13 renders this verse: 10 and you made them to be a kingdom+ and priests to our god,+ and they are to rule as kings+ over the earth.”.

darkspilver

You should download the free JW Library app

In English it includes

New World Translation 1984 revision (black)

New World Translation 2013 revision (silver)

Byington's Living English Translation (blue)

American Standard Version (brown)

Kingdom Interlinear (Greek Scriptures) (purple) #

King James Translation

# I presume the English translation in the Kingdom Interlinear would be the original New World Translation 1960 (green)

You can also download other translation languages, such as Greek and Hebrew - and read them all side-by-side.

DarK SpilveR

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Revelation 5:9,10 and the 144,000

by Darkknight757 in

i hesitate to ask this question.

during some recent research on youtube i came across a few videos explaining how watchtower manipulated revelation 5:10. revelation 5:10 "you have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our god,and they will reign on the earth.”" -niv.

the nwt13 renders this verse: 10 and you made them to be a kingdom+ and priests to our god,+ and they are to rule as kings+ over the earth.”.

darkspilver

This is from their Kingdom Interlinear translation:

DarK SpilveR

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Come on WALES....

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

if you are romantic, and believe in the underdog, then tonight is an occasion when an extraordinary sporting achievement can become reality.

i am not saying it's as great an achievement as man landing on the moon, but i hope this thread continues after tonight and concludes with wales beating germany in the final on sunday.

now that really would be an achievement more remarkable than man landing on the moon,,.. anyone else watching the game tonight?.