Posts by darkspilver

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"Casting Lots", How Was It Considered Acceptable?

by JW_Rogue in

the jws strongly condemn any form of gambling or decision making that invokes luck or divination.

however, no where in the bible is the "casting of lots" which basically amounted to gambling specifically condemned.

also, many jws don't realize that jewish priests (levites) were instructed to make decisions using the urim and thummin which many scholars argue was a divination practice similar to casting lots..

darkspilver

Watchtower 1 February 1954

Check Your Memory
After reading this issue of “The Watchtower,” do you remember —
+ Why gambling cannot be justified by pointing to Israel’s casting of lots? page 95 paragraph 1.

Questions From Readers: Is gambling a violation of Bible principles? Is it wrong for a Christian to have secular employment in a gambling project, such as a legalized lottery or gambling house?
Religious organizations have sought to justify gambling by pointing to Israel’s casting of lots.....
Link to scans

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Is the Dubbers cult going to more digital than printed?

by dogon in

i know they have slave labor free but it costs a lot to print, ship ect and then you have waste.

digital would cut costs.

i was thinking about this because my wife visited her mother an father who are still cult members.

darkspilver

Your Avatar is oscene.

The poster - dogon - has used the same Avatar for around two years now, so I'm sure Simon is perfectly happy with it.

Instead of shaking hands with each other, the two semi-naked guys are shaking each others 'something else'

It's a play on 'taking care of the little things'

That's Austrian politics....

The guys are both wearing ties, and have briefcases, so dogon may also be playing with a JW field ministry subtext.

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Kingdom Hall Renovation Question: Who Pays?

by breakfast of champions in

so last night it was announced at the local hall that the ldc had decided against building a new hall, and that the existing hall would be "renovated.

the prospect of a new hall has been dangled before this congregation for at least 10 years now.

in fact, the congregation had already purchased property, had approval from the rbc for a new hall.

darkspilver

Hey breakfast of champions!

The prospect of a new hall has been dangled before this congregation for at least 10 years now. In fact, the congregation had already purchased property, had approval from the RBC for a new hall. . . .. and then everything changed (the RBC was dissolved and the LDC was instituted).

yeah, seems to be the same as what's happening here....

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5987183917793280/london-kingdom-hall-sale-well-kinda

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the 2013 NWT in Dutch ---- when ??

by menrov in

we are almost in 2017 and some 3 to 4 years have passed since the release of the 2013 revised nwt.

also, i am supposed to believe much money has been spent on rto's.

and as the end is even closer, i should have access to the "best translation ever" in my own language...how else can i be saved???.

darkspilver

Hey menrov!

So question is: WHEN IS THE NWT IN DUTCH AVAILABLE, be it in hard copy or just digital? What is holding them back?

Why don't you ask when you visit the the Dutch Bible Expo? And let us know afterwards?

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5666813717250048/dutch-jw-bible-expo-2017

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UK Kingdom Halls for sale

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

" and a mighty cry went out over all the land: "sell !

sell !

darkspilver

Hey blondie!

Have to drive farther, too bad, many bethelites drive 30 to 50 miles to their congregations near Wallkill and Patterson.

Notice what notsurewheretogo 'complains' about today at this post

I've heard that they do not rent other towwn halls from quite far away...folks as far as Perth, Crieff etc have to travel a fair bit for their assemblies because he WT doesn't want to splash cash on nearer venues.

This is in Scotland, where they are used to travelling further - BUT Perth and Crieff are still only around 45 to 50 miles from Livingston, and assemblies are now only twice-a-year, NOT twice-a-week!

AUSTRALIA: Video slide show of Bethel in 1985

by darkspilver in

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friends

a video of slides about bethel in sydney around 1985 - with voice-over narration.. you can download the current tour brochure at the link below, to help compare some of the pictures.. https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/offices/australia/.

https://goo.gl/maps/97xx3cnoqze2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqn6bn4u7yu.

darkspilver

A video of slides about Bethel in Sydney around 1985 - with voice-over narration.

You can download the current tour brochure at the link below, to help compare some of the pictures.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/offices/australia/

https://goo.gl/maps/97xX3CNoQZE2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQN6bn4U7YU

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SCOTLAND: Livingston Kingdom Hall

by darkspilver in

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friends

i think this deserves it's own thread, so as not to get mixed-up tl;dr - go to the bar charts at the end...picking up on jambon1's comments:.

the one in the op - livingston, was a merge to the newly built assembly hall in the same area.

i think three congs share that building now.. nice wee scoop up of the cash from the sale of livingston and whitburn.

darkspilver

I've re-checked Google StreetView from the main road and it shows it being built in 2012

November 2010 - initial groundworks
https://goo.gl/maps/QkCUGEno6uG2

August 2012 - basic frame up
https://goo.gl/maps/B9AnxuGW5mm

October 2012 - build progressing
https://goo.gl/maps/3Er7fJq1iwr

May 2016 - view of building completed
https://goo.gl/maps/DPGpzfgogaD2

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SCOTLAND: Livingston Kingdom Hall

by darkspilver in

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friends

i think this deserves it's own thread, so as not to get mixed-up tl;dr - go to the bar charts at the end...picking up on jambon1's comments:.

the one in the op - livingston, was a merge to the newly built assembly hall in the same area.

i think three congs share that building now.. nice wee scoop up of the cash from the sale of livingston and whitburn.

darkspilver

notsurewheretogo - Hated them...everything is about money, possessions etc to them.
jambon1 - Witnesses in the area are hyper-materialistic.

haha - two doors down!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b072wv8z

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SCOTLAND: Livingston Kingdom Hall

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

i think this deserves it's own thread, so as not to get mixed-up tl;dr - go to the bar charts at the end...picking up on jambon1's comments:.

the one in the op - livingston, was a merge to the newly built assembly hall in the same area.

i think three congs share that building now.. nice wee scoop up of the cash from the sale of livingston and whitburn.

darkspilver

Cool - so Livingston Deans would have been the 'holding' congregation that lead the project, which explains the 2014 income from the suggested per-publisher donations, though it is interesting that the income in 2012 and 2013 was also substantial.

Presumably the 2016 accounts, when submitted, will show the expenses for actually building the complex.

Dedridge and Whitburn's income and expenses can probably be explained by local fund-raising for new KH, with monies sent over to central fund held by the Deans Congregation.

It makes sense for Scotland to have a relatively centrally located multi-auditorium kingdom hall that can hold small assemblies - the documentation mentions a maximum expected attendance for assemblies here being 800 people - and as they're all one-day assemblies now they can be held on a Saturday and not interfere with the local congregation meetings on a Sunday.

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SCOTLAND: Livingston Kingdom Hall

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

i think this deserves it's own thread, so as not to get mixed-up tl;dr - go to the bar charts at the end...picking up on jambon1's comments:.

the one in the op - livingston, was a merge to the newly built assembly hall in the same area.

i think three congs share that building now.. nice wee scoop up of the cash from the sale of livingston and whitburn.

darkspilver

Hey scratchme1010

What am I missing here? Why it's such a big deal when they build a new KH or sell an old one?

Looking at the bar charts, even allowing for one of the congregations doing the operating expenses, the income/expenses for the three congregtions are fascinatingly contrasting in a multi-million pound way....