haha, seriously, please do! Crossing the t's and dotting the i's is important.
darkspilver
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AND STILL NO RELEASE OF THE 2017 JW YEARBOOK
by steve2 inhere we are on the cusp of the new year, and the 2017 yearbook of jws has still not been released.
jw.org continues to feature the 2016 yearbook in its list of main publications.
in previous years, the upcoming yearbook's annual report on jws was released in november for the january 1st then the feb 1st watchtower, then earlier in december when it was only featured in the yearbook, then more recently with a couple of days of december 25th.
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AND STILL NO RELEASE OF THE 2017 JW YEARBOOK
by steve2 inhere we are on the cusp of the new year, and the 2017 yearbook of jws has still not been released.
jw.org continues to feature the 2016 yearbook in its list of main publications.
in previous years, the upcoming yearbook's annual report on jws was released in november for the january 1st then the feb 1st watchtower, then earlier in december when it was only featured in the yearbook, then more recently with a couple of days of december 25th.
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darkspilver
Hey steve2!
Oh, I did not know there was a direct reference to this. Yet, please note it's from over 20 years ago - it acknowledges a "slight" increase.
Yeah, exactly, which makes it even more embarrassing considering the recent larger increases!!!
Did you also note one of the lines of reasoning that the WT took back then?
The most recent published report is for the year 1995, and it shows 28 more partakers than in the preceding year though the ratio of partakers to those attending did actually drop.
Interesting? WT picks up on the decreasing ratio, or proportion of partakers - I think comparing that ratio to average publishers would be 'more accurate' though?
So, I did some quick basic number crunching - and I mean quick, I've not double-checked my maths, apologies for any errors.
I'll let you make your own observations, I just thought it was interesting.
2015
Average 7,987,279 = 1-in-526 partook
Attendance: 19,862,783 = 1-in-1,308
Partakers: 15,177
2014
Average: 7,867,958 = 1-in-557
Partakers: 14,121
2010
Average: 7,224,930 = 1-in-644
Partakers: 11,202
2000
Average: 5,783,003 = 1-in-667
Partakers: 8,661
1995
Average: 4,950,344 = 1-in-572
Attendance: 13,147,201 = 1-in-1,520
Partakers: 8,645
1994
Average: 4,695,111 = 1-in-544
Attendance: 12,288,917 = 1-in-1,426
Partakers: 8,617
1990
Average: 3,846,311 = 1-in-433
Partakers: 8,869
1980
Average: 2,175,403 = 1-in-227
Partakers: 9,564
1970
Average: 1,384,782 = 1-in-131
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Santa Ana, Calif. News Report: Jehovah's Witness molested 4-5 girls
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag6ftvig9b8.
kacey montoya for channel 5.
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darkspilver
'Old' news can be more important than 'new' news.
'Old' news can expose a devastating pattern and culture of behaviour over a length of time.
It can expose the depth of that behaviour across both time and countries, be it in America, Britain, Spain, Australia...
Ah, Australia! As a community we praised Angus Stewart for his high calibre, incisive, knowledgeable and often devastating cross-examination of witnesses in his role as Senior Counsel Assisting the Australian Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse.
Guess what? For what we say and what we post to be effective - and to work - we need to stand up to the same kind of cross-examination.
It was unfortunate that Barbara said "after the link was sent to me I looked around to find if the information was recent, but couldn't find anything." – particularly when I simply popped the post title she used into google and (at the time) the first/top results gave me the answer and original video - 'old' news is still good, if we know it's old news.
Barbara has done much - more than almost anybody else - to expose the mishandling of pedophilia with the JW's - not just recently, but over many years too. We - and I - have much to thank her for. I'm sure she knows we can't just be 90% accurate, or 99%, or even 100% accurate - we need to be 110% accurate - and by working together on this forum we can, if we want to, make sure we are 110% accurate.
Simon: Here's a hint: fuck off.
The principle is that there is a moral obligation to expose the JW's mishandling of pedophilia.
This is bigger than me. It is bigger than you.
But we can only succeed if what we say and post can hold up to thorough cross-examination. I would like to think that, each time I post, I ask myself: 'what would Angus Stewart pick up on and question about what I've written/posted?'
Yes, the easy option would indeed be to - 'fuck off' - but…. but I believe there is a moral obligation at stake. I can't take that easy option and just shut up. This is too big, too important. Sorry.
Finally, by private message, I have been kindly reminded that Barbara is not as young as she once was. I therefore realise that I should perhaps go a bit easier in future - and I apologise that I haven't done so before. My desire for 110% accuracy sometimes gets in the way, sorry. -
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AND STILL NO RELEASE OF THE 2017 JW YEARBOOK
by steve2 inhere we are on the cusp of the new year, and the 2017 yearbook of jws has still not been released.
jw.org continues to feature the 2016 yearbook in its list of main publications.
in previous years, the upcoming yearbook's annual report on jws was released in november for the january 1st then the feb 1st watchtower, then earlier in december when it was only featured in the yearbook, then more recently with a couple of days of december 25th.
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darkspilver
Hey steve2
Sure, Jw org comments on the likely "calibre" of those partaking - but (and this is the point I made) the organization has never once acknowledged the number of partakers had been increasing over several consecutive years. Up, up and up.
Yes, a sly dig here or there questioning some partakers - but never a direct reference to their increasing number.
Hmm, a bit of post-truth again I think?
Embrassingingly the WT has.
Watchtower 1 August 1996
Questions From Readers: The reports for some years show that the number partaking of the Memorial emblems increased slightly. Does this suggest that many new ones are being anointed with holy spirit?
The most recent published report is for the year 1995, and it shows 28 more partakers than in the preceding year.
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Santa Ana, Calif. News Report: Jehovah's Witness molested 4-5 girls
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag6ftvig9b8.
kacey montoya for channel 5.
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darkspilver
Hi AndersonsInfo!
Thank for posting the date of the news report, darkspilver. I appreciate your scrutiny to make sure the information that I post is accurate, relevant and current. Nothing worse than old news!
Rather than being an exampe of confirmation bias, I think this more an example of post-truth - it's not fake news, sadly the news report is true, but some 14 months old. But the way it was presented here, effectively makes it 'post-truth'.
After the link was sent to me I looked around to find if the information was recent, but couldn't find anything.
I find that extremely hard to believe. Where did you look?
I simply copy and pasted the thread title YOU used, into Google and up popped, oh yes, the VERY FIRST result to the page I linked to above, you might get slightly different results, but I'm sure you get the point
That actually means I located the original news item / video footage in LESS TIME than it took you to post it!!
And then there's these (you actually commented on the first thread, twice)
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/446920004/sexual-assault-believe-jw-member-santa-ana-calif
Have you told the person who sent you link about the original date yet?
Please, if you have the time, darkspilver, maybe you could locate an update about this case. I'd sure like to know the outcome.
No, it's your thread, so I'll let you follow it up and update us please.
But I'll help you, a bit....
I notice the the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation website at http://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov shows an inmate, with the same first, middle and last name who was admitted on 24 November 2015, but is listed as being 46, which doesn't match up with the news reports??
(in case anyone is wondering, we've briefly PM'ed each other previously, and I've said "I call a spade-a-spade" - and therefore to please not take what I say personally) -
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Santa Ana, Calif. News Report: Jehovah's Witness molested 4-5 girls
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag6ftvig9b8.
kacey montoya for channel 5.
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darkspilver
And?.... Update?
This news video report is from 8 September 2015
http://ktla.com/2015/09/08/santa-ana-man-charged-with-molesting-4-children-of-fellow-church-members/
The news report states that, when one of the young victims told a family member what happened, they informed the police.
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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!
by WTS Archive intl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.
please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).
ps.
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darkspilver
And another week goes by and still no update....
Polish, more like Pledge Furniture Polish , all glistening and no substance
Wow, one thing I did not expect on these forums was hostility, guess I was wrong. Maybe this was not the best place to look for this kind of help...
Hmmm, yeah I know, the problem is this forum, we ask way too many questions - which is kinda awkward when all you want is a bit of confirmation bias
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"Casting Lots", How Was It Considered Acceptable?
by JW_Rogue inthe jws strongly condemn any form of gambling or decision making that invokes luck or divination.
however, no where in the bible is the "casting of lots" which basically amounted to gambling specifically condemned.
also, many jws don't realize that jewish priests (levites) were instructed to make decisions using the urim and thummin which many scholars argue was a divination practice similar to casting lots..
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darkspilver
Watchtower 1 February 1954
Check Your Memory
After reading this issue of “The Watchtower,” do you remember —
+ Why gambling cannot be justified by pointing to Israel’s casting of lots? page 95 paragraph 1.Questions From Readers: Is gambling a violation of Bible principles? Is it wrong for a Christian to have secular employment in a gambling project, such as a legalized lottery or gambling house?
Religious organizations have sought to justify gambling by pointing to Israel’s casting of lots.....
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Is the Dubbers cult going to more digital than printed?
by dogon ini know they have slave labor free but it costs a lot to print, ship ect and then you have waste.
digital would cut costs.
i was thinking about this because my wife visited her mother an father who are still cult members.
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darkspilver
Your Avatar is oscene.
The poster - dogon - has used the same Avatar for around two years now, so I'm sure Simon is perfectly happy with it.
Instead of shaking hands with each other, the two semi-naked guys are shaking each others 'something else'
It's a play on 'taking care of the little things'
That's Austrian politics....
The guys are both wearing ties, and have briefcases, so dogon may also be playing with a JW field ministry subtext.
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Kingdom Hall Renovation Question: Who Pays?
by breakfast of champions inso last night it was announced at the local hall that the ldc had decided against building a new hall, and that the existing hall would be "renovated.
the prospect of a new hall has been dangled before this congregation for at least 10 years now.
in fact, the congregation had already purchased property, had approval from the rbc for a new hall.
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darkspilver
Hey breakfast of champions!
The prospect of a new hall has been dangled before this congregation for at least 10 years now. In fact, the congregation had already purchased property, had approval from the RBC for a new hall. . . .. and then everything changed (the RBC was dissolved and the LDC was instituted).
yeah, seems to be the same as what's happening here....
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5987183917793280/london-kingdom-hall-sale-well-kinda
