Posts by darkspilver

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June 2017 Watchtower - Jehovah's Sovereignty is at stake if you disagree with us

by Listener in

four years ago the watchtower made the following demand.

all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

they are not content with obedience and in the upcoming june watchtower they have this to say -15. how does respect for theocratic headship reveal our love for jehovah’s way of ruling?15 what is our response to divinely authorized headship?

darkspilver

thanks. FYI - here's the run down of the three quotes, with references and links

Watchtower (Study) 15 November 2013, page 20

Seven Shepherds, Eight Dukes—What They Mean for Us Today
Paragraph 17: Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) The most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of “the Assyrian” is that of strengthening our faith in God and helping our brothers to do the same. (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/

Watchtower (Study) February 2017, page 23

Who Is Leading God’s People Today?
Paragraph 12: The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45) What evidence is there that the Governing Body is filling that role? Let us consider the same three factors that directed the governing body in the first century.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/who-is-leading-gods-people-today/

Watchtower (Study) June 2017, pages 30 to 31

Uphold Jehovah’s Sovereignty!
Paragraph 15: What is our response to divinely authorized headship? By our respectful cooperation, we show our support for Jehovah’s sovereignty. Even if we do not fully understand or agree with a decision, we will still want to support theocratic order. That is quite different from the way of the world, but it is the way of life under Jehovah’s rulership. (Eph. 5:22, 23; 6:1-3; Heb. 13:17) We benefit from doing so, for God has our interests at heart.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-june-2017/uphold-jehovah-gods-sovereignty/

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Article: Pinoy Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia face deportation (About Philippine JWs in Russia)

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://globalnation.inquirer.net/152841/pinoy-jehovahs-witnesses-russia-face-deportation.

pinoy jehovah’s witnesses in russia face deportation.

philippine daily inquirer / 05:40 am february 24, 2017. .

darkspilver

haha - funny, I was actually going to post this myself but didn't want to waste one of my 'new topic' slots because....

If it doesn't sound right, it probably isn't right.

8,000.... or 17??

Even though I understand that the Philippine Daily Inquirer is a well-regarded and reliable newspaper which stated in the OP article...

more than 8,000 Filipino Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia.
Hundreds of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia are affected

As stan livedeath writes above, 8,000 JWs in Russia sounds like a lot, an awful lot!

Seems like The Moscow Times reveals that the OP article is probably badly written because in a 2015 article it stated:

In 2004, there were 2,010 Filipino nationals in Russia. In 2013, that number had soared to 4,335, according to the most recent statistics from the Commission of Filipinos Overseas, a Filipino government agency that monitors migration.
Local Filipinos said the current number is probably much higher — they estimate Russia houses around 8,000 Filipinos, if unregistered migrants are taken into account. About 93 percent of all the Filipinos in Russia live in Moscow, said Lalunio.
https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/moscows-filipino-domestic-staff-no-longer-an-expat-preserve-50725

So actually around 8,000 Filipinos in total in Russia - hence the following line in the OP article regarding "hundreds being affected", but even that TBH is suspect - the publisher ratio in the Philippines is 1-in-483, so out of 8,000 that would actually make only 17 Filipino JWs in Russia.

Or in other words, using the same publisher ratio, there would need to be around 385,000 Filipinos in Russia in order for there to be 8,000 JWs. (btw there are just over 200,000 JWs in the Philippines)

Therefore the OP's article just didn't add up as being correct for me, but, hey ho! I might be wrong of course....

Ah, the joys of Fact Checking!

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Fun with anagrams!

by Captain Schmideo2 in

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after running the name "reince priebus" through an anagram creator (my favorite?

be prices urine),i wondered what appropriate anagrams could i get out of certain names or terms associated with jw'shere are a few good ones:watchtower society - theocratic stew yow.

charles taze russel - research zeal sluts.

darkspilver

Take a look at: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/132543/inconvenient-watchtower-anagrams

and: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/62516/joannes-anagrams-watchtower

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ARC report released today.. and phew!

by zeb in

"the response of the jehovah’switnesses and watchtower bibleand tract society of australialtd to allegations of childsexual abuse".. this report is 110 pages.

it is imperative to look it up on the arc website each and every one of you.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/report-of-case-study-no-29.

darkspilver

zeb: ARC report released today.. and phew!

thanks,

I believe it was discussed here when it was released at the end of November 2016, around three months ago?

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5398274678718464/royal-commission-australia-report-into-jehovahs-witnesses-watchtower-society-has-been-released

Press in SPAIN report JW members go to JW headquarters to file a complaint for not receiving documents on cases of abuse they requested

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.lainformacion.com/politica/derechos-humanos/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_990801892.html.

http://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_2308950586.html.

https://okdiario.com/sociedad/2017/01/16/ex-miembros-testigos-jehova-acusan-organizacion-ocultar-ley-miles-casos-abusos-sexuales-menores-671613jehovah's witness members will report to the organization for failing to provide them with documents regarding child abuse.

darkspilver

Richard Oliver: Is there a law in Spain that states that a person can request any information that an organization has on themselves?

The website of the Spanish Agencia Española de Protección de Datos is available in English:

http://www.agpd.es/portalwebAGPD/index-iden-idphp.php

http://www.agpd.es/portalwebAGPD/CanalDelCiudadano/derechos/principales_derchos/acceso-iden-idphp.php

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Press in SPAIN report JW members go to JW headquarters to file a complaint for not receiving documents on cases of abuse they requested

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.lainformacion.com/politica/derechos-humanos/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_990801892.html.

http://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/exmiembros-testigos-jehova-denunciaran-entregarles_0_2308950586.html.

https://okdiario.com/sociedad/2017/01/16/ex-miembros-testigos-jehova-acusan-organizacion-ocultar-ley-miles-casos-abusos-sexuales-menores-671613jehovah's witness members will report to the organization for failing to provide them with documents regarding child abuse.

darkspilver

Is there an update - have the documents been provided yet?

Timeline:

1990:
While attending a Spanish-speaking congregation in Brussels, Belgium, Miguel Garcia - then aged 16 - alleges that he was sexually abused/attacked by a man 'A' (a brother in good standing in the congregation) ie it was NOT consensual and Miguel Garcia was an 'unwilling participant'.

1993:
Now in Spain, Miguel Garcia - then aged 19 - approached the elders in his congregation regarding his allegation of sexual abuse/attack that took place in Belgium three years earlier and a Judicial Committee was set up for the man 'A' for which Miguel Garcia cooperated and gave details - apparently others had made similar allegations regarding the same man 'A'.

2011:
Miguel Garcia stops attending JW meetings.

2014:
In April 2014 Miguel Garcia wrote to the CONGREGATION he was last associated with and requested the destruction all his records and data INCLUDING the summary notes recording his allegations of sexual abuse/attack against 'A' (ie the 'Do Not Destroy' Envelopes)

2016:
In a newspaper article in September 2016 Miguel Garcia complained the records of his allegations of sexual abuse/attack against 'A' have apparently not been destroyed by the congregation despite his earlier request.

By the end of 2016, Miguel Garcia had a change of heart and now does not want the records of his allegations of sexual abuse/attack against 'A' to be destroyed, but rather he now wants a copy of them for himself.

2017:
On Monday 9 January 2017 Miguel Garcia writes a letter to the BETHEL in Spain requesting a copy of all the records and data that they hold on him at each of the congregations he has been associated with - he gives them SEVEN days to provide this information.

On Monday 16 January 2017 Miguel Garcia visits the Bethel in Spain in person and asks for his records, they do not provide them, and he walks away empty handed.

On Monday 16 January 2017, following the above and by prior arrangement, Miguel Garcia has a 40 minute meeting with a member of the Spainish Government's Congress of Deputies with whom he lodges his official complaint regarding the Bethel not providing him with copies of his record of allegations of sexual abuse/attack against 'A' and other data/information they hold on him. By law, the government has 30-days to respond - ie by Wednesday 15 February 2017. In addition to the above, Miguel Garcia also lodges an official complaint with the Guardia Civil / Police.

Today Thursday 23 February 2017 - over five weeks have passed now and apparently no update on this thread yet???....

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U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

by AndersonsInfo in

http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

darkspilver

blondie: Still didn't read all of them....many non-CS religious groups mentioned.

I'm just gonna ignore OC from now, should have sooner, just don't like banging my head against a brick wall

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6209392405905408/_post/6104543127404544

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U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

by AndersonsInfo in

http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

darkspilver

blondie: OC: Still haven't read the links have you?

haha - a rhetorical question because we already know the answer

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U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

by AndersonsInfo in

http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

darkspilver

As your three posts indicate such an interest in this matter, I suggest you contact the article's author directly as ask him

His contact details are here: https://theconversation.com/profiles/clayton-oneill-322395

His email is: clayton.oneill @ ntu.ac.uk

His twitter is: https://twitter.com/ONeillClay

His phone number is listed here: https://www4.ntu.ac.uk/apps/staff_profiles/staff_directory/ddefc48e-36df-4f8a-b79d-ccd3071be943-0/26/profile.aspx?deptcode=NLS&deptTitle=Nottingham%20Law%20School&page=6

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U.K. Article: Blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch

by AndersonsInfo in

http://theconversation.com/blood-transfusion-refusals-why-new-guidelines-arent-up-to-scratch-70237.

blood transfusion refusals – why new guidelines aren’t up to scratch .

february 22, 2017. blood transfusions are a common and often lifesaving procedure.

darkspilver

OrphanCrow: This opening sentence misleads the reader right from the start by implying that the JWs are just one of others who also follow the same practice. There are no others.

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