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  Kingdom Ministry Detailed Service Reports vs Field Service Highlights.

  by ToesUp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why did the watchtower eliminate the detailed service report (last report dec. 2008) and replace it in jan. 2009 with the field service highlights?

  (sorry about the formatting).. *** km 12/08 p. 2 august service report *** (source wt library, kingdom ministry 2008 , 2009).

  august service report.

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  steve2: Any guidance?

  always present numbers / tables as a graphic to retain formatting and legibility
  

  does this help?
  

  
  
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  Latest son of thunder video on YouTube and the 07 letter to the elders.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in his video he mentions an elders letter sent to germany in 07 , i believe.

  in this letter if i'm understanding it correctly the elders are being instructed to send most of any information on hand about child abuse in their congregation to headquarters and any thing else they have at home or in their personal possession to destroy it.

  this seams to be the most obvious case of wt telling their elders to destroy information.

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  darkspilver

  FWIW, below is the English translation that the video uses - unedited by me, so it should include all of the grammatical errors aswell:

  Dear Brothers

  In the past years enemies and apostates have once again tried to discredit Jehovah's faithful servants through false allegations in child abuse. as you know we are always striving to uphold and maintain purity within Jehovah's congregation. Jehovah himself gave us appropriate instructions. in some certain cases, this has led to the application of biblical measures but the otherwise demands of authorities could not be respected. While we usually work closely with the law enforcement agencies it is also our godly obligation to protect the congregations from Satan's attacks. These attacks may also take the form of investigations directed at Jehovah's organization therefore we request that you review your congregation documents to isolate any documentation related to elder's meetings or judicial meetings pertaining to CONCRETE cases or suspicions of child abuse. Also include from your own personal files any pertinent documents. Please submit to us all your documents by February and There shall not be any records or copies maintained in the congregation's record supply nor any personal files. We will then collect these confidential documents for destruction. And maintain no copies of this letter for your congregation record.

  With you we seek to continuously do Jehovah's will your brothers

  In addition, below is a copy of the German letter as shown in the video:

  
  
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  Ireland

  by Lostandfound in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on another of ,wifibandits posts of letters, one from ibsa london and one from watchtwer ireland with.

  wicklow address which we viewed on google earth looks to be a sizeable and modern facility for ireland, question is, am i right that the irish branch closed or is it still operating ?.

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  Lostndfound: Am I right that the Irish branch closed or is it still operating ?
  

  I believe that the Ireland Branch has been on the market to be sold since around the end of 2011.

  The Ireland Branch does not appear to be listed as an office on jw.org

  I thought that the Britain Branch in London now managed both parts of Ireland.

  Wonder if, as seems the case, the WT have a skeleton workforce in place there? Perhaps due to a taxation issue regarding use of the buildings/property? the principle which was explained by 'the King of all Elders' - John Davies at the post below?
  

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5673963306876928/_post/5764270362984448
  
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  June 27, 2017 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: Donations to Regional Conventions Using jw.org

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  june 27, 2017 to all congregations in britain and northern ireland re: donations to regional conventions using jw.org.

  june 27, 2017 to all congregations in ireland re: donations to regional conventions using jw.org.

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  AverageJoe1: I've just noticed that the UK letterhead has changed; no mention of The Watchtower at all! Is this due to the current UK Charity Commission investigation? Have they changed the name of their financial side of the organisation again?
  

  No. I don't believe it is anything like that at all - but cool for picking it up.
  

  As I understand it, in the UK it is specifically the IBSA - the International Bible Students Association - that arranges the annual conventions, rather that the 'Watch Tower'.

  Proof?

  The International Bible Students Association Report of the Trustees for the Year Ended 31st August 2016 specifically highlights that they arrange convention a number of times in the report:

  http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends47/0000216647_AC_20160831_E_C.PDF

  I don't believe the equivalent Watch Tower Trustees Report actually mentions the conventions at all:
  

  http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends61/0001077961_AC_20160831_E_C.PDF
  

  In addition, below is a photo of a couple of example convention programmes that clearly state that they are 'arranged and directed by the International Bible Students Association.'

  

  AverageJoe1: How come there is a different letterhead for Ireland? That branch doesn't even exist anymore as far as I'm aware!

  Good question.
  

  See: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4753511818461184/_post/5922414816919552
  
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  1950- present PDF Scans of original mailed or literature counter, WTs ?

  by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i think these exist ?

  has someone created pdf scans of original mailed or literature counter wts?

  or have copies of those pdf's?.

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  TheOldHippie: Oh yeah? Give examples of what articles

  Oh yeah!
  

  It almost sounds like you don't believe darkspilver
  

  I'll get some examples together for you
  
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  1950- present PDF Scans of original mailed or literature counter, WTs ?

  by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i think these exist ?

  has someone created pdf scans of original mailed or literature counter wts?

  or have copies of those pdf's?.

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  As most know the year end bound volumes contained changes and certainly the WTLIBs do.

  Actually, compared to the 'individual' magazines - the 'bound volumes' (and CD-ROM) have ENTIRE articles missing
  
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  Cross-dressing Jehovah's Witness raped and molested girl

  by cobweb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/cross-dressing-jehovahs-witness-raped-13311020.

  a cross-dressing jehovah’s witness raped and molested a girl while making her wear adult women’s clothes.. david fuge, 69, wore dresses and silky underwear when he repeatedly abused his blindfolded victim from the age of eight to 19.. .

  liverpool crown court heard he gagged her and on one occasion tied a belt around her neck and left her hanging from a hook in a room.. he photographed the child naked, made her read pornographic magazines, beat her with a piece of wood and abused her at a golf course.. .

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  The Wirral Globe (more local to the actual area) gives some background to the extra 'year on licence' (emphasis added)
  

  Liverpool Echo, 10 July 2017
  Judge Norman Wright jailed Fuge for 17 years with an extended year on licence.
  http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/cross-dressing-jehovahs-witness-raped-13311020
  

  Wirral Globe, 10 July 2017
  The judge imposed an extra year’s licence as he is classed as a person of particular concern.
  http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/15401699.17_year_sentence_for_Wirral_man_who_sexually_abused_young_girl/
  
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  Cross-dressing Jehovah's Witness raped and molested girl

  by cobweb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/cross-dressing-jehovahs-witness-raped-13311020.

  a cross-dressing jehovah’s witness raped and molested a girl while making her wear adult women’s clothes.. david fuge, 69, wore dresses and silky underwear when he repeatedly abused his blindfolded victim from the age of eight to 19.. .

  liverpool crown court heard he gagged her and on one occasion tied a belt around her neck and left her hanging from a hook in a room.. he photographed the child naked, made her read pornographic magazines, beat her with a piece of wood and abused her at a golf course.. .

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  Splash: List of elders for the Wallasey South congregation. This offender was not one of them.

  Who said he was an elder?? I don't believe the article says he was?

  SIDE NOTE: The Charity Commission website, listing the trustess, can be updated at any time by the individual charities - I believe the website is then automatically updated over-night to publicly display the new information the following day.

  I believe the WT letter guidance tells congreagtions that they should keep it up-to-date (new elders, elders move-in, elders move-out, elders removed) - BUT most forget and only update it in January each year when they need to log in an submit their annual returns.
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  BBC News: Contaminated blood scandal inquiry announced (Expect Some JW Propaganda Over This!!)

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40566761.

  an inquiry will be held into the contaminated blood scandal that left at least 2,400 people dead, the prime minister has confirmed.. it will establish the causes of the "appalling injustice" that took place in the 1970s and 1980s.

  nhs patients were given blood products that were infected with diseases, such as hepatitis c and hiv.. families of those who died will be consulted about what form the inquiry should take.. it could be a public hillsborough-style inquiry or a judge-led statutory inquiry, prime minister theresa may confirmed.. the prime minister's spokesman said: "it is a tragedy that has caused immeasurable hardship and pain for all those affected and a full inquiry to establish the truth of what happened is the right course of action to take.. "it is going to be a wide-ranging inquiry.".

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  FWIW below is the discussion from two months ago - which includes the Watchtower's Question from Readers from 1990
  

  Also includes the one hour BBC television documentary that was aired in May 2017:
  

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4882693948964864/bbc-programme-re-contaminated-blood-dub-blinkers
  
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  Latest son of thunder video on YouTube and the 07 letter to the elders.

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in his video he mentions an elders letter sent to germany in 07 , i believe.

  in this letter if i'm understanding it correctly the elders are being instructed to send most of any information on hand about child abuse in their congregation to headquarters and any thing else they have at home or in their personal possession to destroy it.

  this seams to be the most obvious case of wt telling their elders to destroy information.

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  darkspilver

  TBH it sounds like the 'standard' letter regarding the annual (?) file audit.
  

  the girl next door does a run-down regarding the implications of the letter at the link below.
  

  the girl next door also posted the Checklist and the five page letter here:
  

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4815771918139392/do-all-congregations-have-destroy-all-documents-related-cases-pedophilia

  PS - jp1692 - maybe the clue is in the username: 'Crazyguy'