THE TIMES
Only change between the ONline and OFFline (printed) versions appears to be the headline.
ONline headline: JWs let convicted paedophile interrogate victims
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jehovah-s-witnesses-let-convicted-paedophile-interrogate-victims-hj05xhdt9
OFFline, in print, headline: JWs let abuser interrogate victims
Body of article same as online (below is a full page scan for context)
The Times - Thursday 27 July 2017 - Page 23
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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THE DAILY TELEGRAPH
Interesting to compare The Daily Telegraph's online and offline (printed) versions of the same story.
ONline they say: 'attacked' and 'damning report'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/26/jehovahs-witnesses-attacked-charity-commission-paedophilia-cover/OFFline, in print, they say: 'criticised' and 'watchdog report'
For reference, below is the printed newspaper story/text (full page scan at bottom for context):
The Daily Telegraph - Thursday 27 July 2017 - Page 11Jehovah’s Witnesses criticised for paedophilia cover-up
Charity that allowed sex abuser to question accusers face-to-face 'badly let down' children
A Jehovah's Witness group has been criticised by the Charity Commission for covering up allegations of paedophilia against one of its former leaders.
Trustees of Manchester New Moston Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses “did not report the allegation of child sexual abuse to police or to other authorities”, said the charities watchdog report. “Nor did it report the matter as a serious incident to the commission.”
The charity “badly let down” victims of child abuse in its handling of allegations against Jonathan Rose, a former trustee subsequently convicted of indecent assault against a member of the congregation. After Rose was released from custody in 2014, the elders of the congregation brought his accusers face-to-face with him. The accusers were then cross-examined by Rose and seven elders. The inquiry was told that one alleged victim was asked by the panel, “Did you ever egg him on? Goad him on?” while Rose asked her: “What was I supposed to have done to you that night?” and pushed her to go into detail about what happened.
Rose was arrested in 1994 after a “child beneficiary” of the charity made allegations about sexual abuse to church elders, and later the police. He stood trial but was acquitted. The Charity Commission found that trustees had dismissed this incident as “a matter between two teenagers” – Rose was 19 at the time and his accuser was 15 – rather than “child abuse”. As such they had “failed to demonstrate a sufficient understanding of child sex abuse”, the report found.
Rose was arrested again in 2012 and appeared in court charged with sexual offences. He was convicted in 2013 of indecent assault and sentenced to nine months’ imprisonment. The commission found the charity did not deal adequately with allegations of child sexual abuse in 2012 and 2013 against Rose. The report made findings of misconduct and mismanagement against the charity’s trustees.
Harvey Grenville, the commission’s head of investigations and enforcement, said, “The victims were badly let down by the charity” but it has “improved its procedures around the handling of child safeguarding concerns and its internal disciplinary process”.
He said that the charity has now changed its policies to ensure that “victims of child sexual abuse are not required to make their allegations in the presence of the alleged abuser”.
A spokesman for the Jehovah’s Witnesses said: “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse in all of its forms and do not shield wrongdoers from the authorities or from the consequences of their actions. All allegations of abuse are thoroughly investigated and appropriate restrictions are imposed on any person guilty of child sexual abuse. The trustees will continue to concentrate on doing all they can to safeguard children.”
The Daily Telegraph - Thursday 27 July 2017 - Page 11
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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RECAP of ONLINE links (plus some new ones - Times and Manchester Evening News)
In addition to the BBC TV news item (see above).....
Charity Commission - Press Release
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity
Charity Commission - Report
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/manchester-new-moston-congregation-of-jehovahs-witnesses-inquiry-report/manchester-new-moston-congregation-of-jehovahs-witnesses
The Guardian (website of major 'quality' national daily newspaper)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/26/jehovahs-witnesses-criticised-over-handling-of-child-abuse-case
The Daily Telegraph (website of major 'quality' national daily newspaper)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/26/jehovahs-witnesses-attacked-charity-commission-paedophilia-cover/
The Times (website of major 'quality' national daily newspaper)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jehovah-s-witnesses-let-convicted-paedophile-interrogate-victims-hj05xhdt9
Manchester Evening News (website of the major local newspaper)
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/jehovahs-witnesses-criticised-charity-commission-13391368
BBC News (website of major national TV broadcaster)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40719773
Third Sector (website of specialist charity related news)
http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/jehovahs-witnesses-guilty-serious-safeguarding-failings/governance/article/1440568 -
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UK inquiry into wt
by zeb inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/manchester-new-moston-congregation-of-jehovahs-witnesses-inquiry-report.
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thanks for the link
there's lots more links to the news coverage here:
It was also featured on the BBC TV NATIONAL NEWS - you can watch it here:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4906571056283648/_post/5752902951895040
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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Featured towards the end of the BBC TV's Main National News broadcast
BBC - News at 10pm - 26 July 2017
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08yw11v/bbc-news-at-ten-26072017
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What in the flying F....????
by ILoveTTATT2 inhttps://www.facebook.com/tupuebloesmipueblojehova/videos/578539175868967/?hc_ref=arrvbqq6myd5outlusr6zufmvffwsvr_duxl_fdriuhhniiuesiylhi43gybtziknxwthis video gave me cancer..
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I fixed it. Much better music now. hahaha
but isn't that basically 'fake' now - you've changed the music? How do we know which is the original?
I was just reading about this this morning in The Guardian:
The future of fake news: don't believe everything you read, see or hear
A new breed of video and audio manipulation tools allow for the creation of realistic looking news footage
Video of GJ at the ARC? See above
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Jehovah's Witnesses Crimes Against Fellow Jehovah's Witness Victims
by Hecce ini ran a search and it seems that this was not posted before, there are 5 pages of criminal cases involving jws.. in the following criminal cases, the watchtower society - jehovah's witnesses religion served as the spiritual element of the perpetrator's and/or other actor's formative environment, or otherwise served as a major influencer of the perpetrator's and/or other actor's behavior.
the following cases are often tragic, and speak for themselves.. http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/familicide4.html.
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Why a young father left the JW's
by darkspilver inthree part story in germany's der tagesspiegel (26 july 2017).
why a young father left the jehovah's witnesses (part one)he believed.
to the end of the world, the mission, the community.
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Three part story in Germany's Der Tagesspiegel (26 July 2017)
Why a young father left the Jehovah's Witnesses (Part One)
He believed. To the end of the world, the mission, the community. Then he got two sons - and went out to the Jehovah's Witnesses. Oliver Wolschke pays a high price for this.GOOGLE TRANSLATE: https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fthemen%2Freportage%2Fberliner-aussteiger-warum-ein-junger-vater-die-zeugen-jehovas-verliess%2F20111338.html
Why a young father left the Jehovah's Witnesses (Part Two)
The two-witness rule applies to child abuseGOOGLE TRANSLATE: https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fthemen%2Freportage%2Fberliner-aussteiger-bei-kindesmissbrauch-gilt-die-zwei-zeugen-regel%2F20111338-2.html
Why a young father left the Jehovah's Witnesses (Part Three)
An attempt to change his mindGOOGLE TRANSLATE: https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesspiegel.de%2Fthemen%2Freportage%2Fberliner-aussteiger-ein-versuch-ihn-doch-noch-umzustimmen%2F20111338-3.html
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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darkspilver
Also The Guardian:
The Daily Telegraph
Third Sector
I presume it's going to get into the (printed) newspapers tomorrow....
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The "slave's" dogma depicts Satan as being more powerful than Jehovah!
by The Fall Guy inaccording to the org's "guardians of doctrine," (g.o.d.
's) the figurative woman who's mentioned in revelation chapter 12 is none other than god almighty's heavenly organization - with its myriads upon myriads of powerful spirit creatures.. it-2 p. 187 - "it would follow that the “woman” is god’s “wife,” the “jerusalem above,” the “mother” of christ and his spiritual brothers.
" jv chap.
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freddo: Hi "The Fall Guy".
Inverted commas?
I get completely what you are saying about why would God's heavenly organisation be fearful of Satan the babysnatcher? Good thought provoking post.
Yes, though according to WT that doesn't make 'God' himself less powerful than 'Satan' - as the OP referenced, Rev 12:6 says that the 'Woman / Heavenly Organisation' seeks refuge in a place actually prepared by 'God'.