darkspilver
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Speaking of the 144,000...................
by The Fall Guy in...........why would an all-powerful christ, whom the bible describes as having been given "all authority", need 144,000 other king/priests as "helpers" to run his universal organization?
(matthew 28:18) .
1 corinthians 15:25 - "for he [not 144,000] must rule as king until god has put all enemies under his feet.".
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I was impressed by part of today's symposium entitled ' Safeguard your children from what is evil'
by UnshackleTheChains inwell i have to give credit where credit is due.
it was the part of today's symposium - build a house that will endure.
the part i was most impressed with was 'safeguard your children from "what is evil".
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darkspilver
The big play that the WT take with their meetings is that they are 'family' services - they do not hold any children/youth services, which most other churches probably do.
Therefore another interesting section in the Baptist's Safe To Grow document is:
Chapter 14: Safe practice and safe premises (page 73 to 76)
14.9 Welcoming children into an all-age community
Family or all-age services
The particular challenge of family or all-age services is that no one may understand themselves to be responsible for the formal care of the children and young people who attend.
It is imperative that the parents or carers of children and young people understand the basis on which their children are attending the service.
Any parents/carers who are present should know that they are not entrusting their children into the care of others but remain responsible themselves for the welfare of their children.
Of course the WT is also very clear in terms of the above - don't they say it is always the parent's responsibility?
Picking up on what UnshackleTheChains said above - the Baptist document (page 74) highlights the concept of the Safeguarding Policy being known about, being read, and being understood by ALL church members, as part of the actual safeguarding process.
These situations highlight the importance of the Safeguarding Children Policy being adopted, owned and understood by the whole church membership. The annual review of the policy should address areas of church life where adults, children and young people come together but where no formal children’s or youth activities are being organised. The report of the review should also give an occasion for educating the church meeting and helping all church members and members of the congregation to understand their responsibilities with regard to safeguarding
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I was impressed by part of today's symposium entitled ' Safeguard your children from what is evil'
by UnshackleTheChains inwell i have to give credit where credit is due.
it was the part of today's symposium - build a house that will endure.
the part i was most impressed with was 'safeguard your children from "what is evil".
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darkspilver
UnshackleTheChains - thanks for the Baptist links
I thought the following section was interesting - seeing it set-out as they have:
'Safe To Grow' document
Page 79: When it is known that a person who has been convicted of sexually abusing children or young people is attending your church
BTW - weird, it looks like they actually shut down their Child Safeguarding website last year - http://www.safetogrow.org.uk/ - (see pages 65, 71, 77, 80, 81 and back (last) page of above document) -
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BBC Radio News Report On Pedophile Elder Allowed To Cross Examine His Victim
by pale.emperor inhttps://youtu.be/jmolpaclsca.
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darkspilver
thanks for the link
FYI - the actual Charity Commission's Report itself is being discussed on the following thread since it was released on Wednesday 26 July 2017 (links are also conveniently provided on the thread to the FULL report so people can read it themselves)
also included in the above linked discussion is how it has been reported in both the local (to the area where this all took place) and national newspapers - both online and in the printed newspaper version.
The BBC Radio 4 report was also flagged up here and is being discussed here:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4906571056283648/_post/5181899129487360
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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darkspilver
BBC Radio 4 - Sunday 30 July 2017 - 7.10 to 7.55
SUNDAY - "Jehovah's Witness, Trafficking, Arts & Craft Stained Glass"
The Charity Commission have published a critical report into how the Jehovah's Witnesses managed allegations of child sex abuse at the Manchester New Moston congregation. Kathleen Hallisey a lawyer for survivors and Harvey Grenville, Head of Investigations and Enforcement at the Charity Commission discuss the issues with Edward.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08z97zy
(The radio programme is actually called 'Sunday')
Version on youtube:
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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darkspilver
yeah - that's why I said "how the JWs dealt with it" - it's not just the face-to-face meetings but also by the very serious 'conflict-of-interest' issues that where revealed too.
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Facebook shuts ex j-dub site for "hate speech"
by GoneAwol insorry if this has been posted, havnt had much time to look..
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darkspilver
It may have been temporarily unavailable, but the Facebook page is still accessible:
I think that's a new 'page'?
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6pvj6k/facebook_shuts_down_exjw_group_for_hate_speech/Also, compare with: https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6o6fiz/the_truth_about_jwfacts_facebook_hate_page/
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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darkspilver
So they're still intending to investigate abuse accusations internally without reporting them to the authorities. What does it take to get through to these people?
In this case that they're commenting on, the perpetrator was known and had been dealt with by the authorities. The main issue that appears to have picked up is how the JWs dealt with it after (the face-to-face JC meetings).
Remember the - reverse - situation happens too:
Courts find alleged perpetrator not guilty - BUT the JW's find guilty and DF.
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New Film on Murder of Ex-Jehovah's Witness
by Kenneson inbased on a true crime book entitled "under the bridge," by rebecca godfrey, a film is in the making on the life of reena virk, an ex jehovah's witness, who was murdered in british columbia, canada, by several other females.
should be interesting.
see "witherspoon's type a develops high school murder story of reena virk" at.
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darkspilver
Article from Rebecca Godfrey, author of the above book 'Under The Bridge'.
The Unforgettable Story of a Teen Murdered by Her PeersVice July 27 2017
Twenty years after Reena Virk’s horrific death, the reporter who knew the teenage girls involved goes deep on a crime that shocked the world.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvpqa7/the-unforgettable-story-of-a-teen-murdered-by-her-peers
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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.
by snugglebunny inhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.
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darkspilver
BBC Radio 4 - Sunday 30 July 2017 - 7.10 to 7.55
SUNDAY - "Jehovah's Witness, Trafficking, Arts & Craft Stained Glass"
The Charity Commission have published a critical report into how the Jehovah's Witnesses managed allegations of child sex abuse at the Manchester New Moston congregation. Kathleen Hallisey a lawyer for survivors and Harvey Grenville, Head of Investigations and Enforcement at the Charity Commission discuss the issues with Edward.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08z97zy
(The radio programme is actually called 'Sunday')